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if you want to invite me to party, ASK ME first.

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if you want to invite me to party, ASK ME first.

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mrcaptainpants
01.29.2012 , 08:03 PM | #221
Quote: Originally Posted by Arnokar View Post

I'm waiting on a mob to spawn...Obi Wan comes along and is CLEARLY waiting for the same spawn...I right click his/her portrait and invite them....this is wrong? No it's not...
You're right; its not. And nearly EVERYONE has agreed on this point, including the OP.

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Elgarr
01.29.2012 , 08:03 PM | #222
22 pages and I don't even have to read first page lol

It's lol that this topic has gone in for this long.

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Tuscad
01.29.2012 , 08:04 PM | #223
Quote: Originally Posted by Kabjat View Post
I have taken the liberty to circumvent the obvious retorts to my post with the following hypothetical questions:

"If you don't wanna be invited to groups, you should just go play a single-player game."

No. I don't mind being invited to groups. What I do mind is someone inviting me to party without showing me the courtesy of ASKING me first if I wish to party with them.

"Turn on auto-decline group invites if you are such an anti-social person. Gawd, it's an MMO, people group to do stuff."

I love to group with people in order to meet a common objective. In fact, I am usually quite enthusiastic to party up with other players...provided they are willing to behave in a social manner themselves by being POLITE. It's RUDE to ninja-invite. Is it so hard to WHISPER someone and ask them if they even WANT to do the same thing you are doing?

And incidentally, I HAVE toggled auto-decline after today...didn't even know it was an option till my husband showed me. It cheeses me off that I have to and that people are so socially stunted that they can't be bothered to ASK first.

I'm all for efficiency. But when someone just spams me with his party invite without any regard to what I may be doing, it just makes me NOT want to party with him on principle alone. Like, even if I do want to do the same thing he wants to do, Saving Face, Personal Challenge, whatever....if he sends an invite without asking first, it's a forgone conclusion that I will NOT group with that person.
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Jargonaut
01.29.2012 , 08:04 PM | #224
Quote: Originally Posted by mrcaptainpants View Post
I think you've actually hit on the sticking point here. Some people feel that without some kind of whisper they have no real way of knowing whether or not the invite suits their needs. It obviously suits the needs of the person inviting them, or they wouldn't have sent an invitation. It just seems like the polite thing to do would be to whisper a bit of information to the person you are trying to get help from, so that they can determine whether grouping up is beneficial to them.
Ok but if you are in say a heroic area that really needs 2 people to kill each group of mobs and some solo player sends an invite, you pretty much know what it's for. If it turns out they're doing something else just let them on their way and leave. Generally it seems people attach too much obligation to the idea of joining a group. I doesn't have to be too anti-old school to be there and just want to get the job done and move on without having to go through unnecessary social niceties. It can still be friendly and polite, do your thing then thank the person and say bye etc.
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Kabjat
01.29.2012 , 08:06 PM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by mrcaptainpants View Post
I think you've actually hit on the sticking point here. Some people feel that without some kind of whisper they have no real way of knowing whether or not the invite suits their needs. It obviously suits the needs of the person inviting them, or they wouldn't have sent an invitation. It just seems like the polite thing to do would be to whisper a bit of information to the person you are trying to get help from, so that they can determine whether grouping up is beneficial to them.

On a side note, I completely agree about WAR's public quests. Those were a lot of fun. Well, until the population dropped so low you no longer had enough people in the quest area to do them anymore, lol. But that's another story!
I think this is absolutely on target. This is why I wonder why there has been a bit of hate and vitriol toward anyone who would dare be so high-handed as to ask for a reason for the invite. To those with that have expressed a hateful attitude, I am not sure that it really matters to them if grouping benefits the one they are blindly inviting. It's like the vibe is, "Just come on, hurry up, doesn't matter what we are doing, shut up and pew pew!" I'm sorry, but like someone earlier said, I'm not an NPC to do your bidding.

It's a matter of courtesy. How is it possibly asking for too much to KNOW whether or not our objectives match up?

Quote: Originally Posted by mrcaptainpants View Post
True for me as well. Its just a shame that some people are unable to express those viewpoints without resorting to unwarranted personal attacks. Which are not necessary. Um, hence the "unwarranted" part.

Yeah.
But think about it! Much of the trolling and flaming went away, from what I can see anyway lol. They always get bored when you refuse to engage and they lose their footing. The discussion actually became constructive xD
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Jahor
01.29.2012 , 08:06 PM | #226
Sometimes I do ninja-invites too.

For example when I notice someone else is doing the same mission as I do or when I fight a chain endboss which someone else needs too.

Klick him, klick "+" next to his mini icon, kill mission mobs, /bow /thx /p "cu "

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Kabjat
01.29.2012 , 08:15 PM | #227
Quote: Originally Posted by Sureth View Post
If the OP says "yes, me please" to "Anyone for X", then OP KNOWS what the invite is for.
/facepalm

If I do NOT say 'yes, me please' in response to 'Anyone for X' then it means I do not wish to do heroic. I do not respond to LFM.

If I get invited without a word by same person spamming LFM, then he's the one not paying attention. If I didn't answer his call for group in chat, then why would he feel the need to ninja invite?

Does he hope that I will come to my senses and realize that I REALLY should group with him? Does he think he will wear me down?

What kind of hint is needed to get it through that doing this can be seen as really RUDE by some people?

Why must some of you attack people with a differing outlook than yours? I am not addressing you personally, Sureth, just some of the really snarky replies I have gotten.

I apologize if I sound a bit irritated, but honestly, my OP is very straight forward. I'm not sure why there is so much confusion.
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Zabonam
01.29.2012 , 08:29 PM | #228
Only time I invite without asking is when we're both in the same area, need the same thing and are currently both busy fighting and can't take a moment to type.

Afterwards I say hello and stuff.

Aside from that I always ask.

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Sureth
01.29.2012 , 08:29 PM | #229
Quote: Originally Posted by Arnokar View Post
Ok let's stop with the ninja invite stuff...it's simply an invite. There is no button that says ninja...and 999 out of 1000 people are just trying to be social to accomplish a common goal..

I do it. I don't ninja. And it is not harassment for cripes sake.

It usually gies like this..

I'm waiting on a mob to spawn...Obi Wan comes along and is CLEARLY waiting for the same spawn...I right click his/her portrait and invite them....this is wrong? No it's not...

Obi Wan accepts. We kill said mob. I say thnx. He says thnx. Away we go.

Maybe some of you should just try and see the others point of view too. Does it bother you ? It does, i know, so sorry but you are not being harassed.
I'll repeat:
Quote:
And these are the keywords, which many of those disagreeing with the OP are conveniently ignoring: "IF I've no idea what you're inviting me for." That is when a blind invite becomes annoying.
As has been said over and over in previous posts: in your example, there is no problem. The purpose of the invite is clear and we, too, will thank you for it.

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Joonbeams
01.29.2012 , 08:38 PM | #230
Quote: Originally Posted by Kabjat View Post
Yep, and it's already been agreed by many in this thread, including myself, that in THAT instance, it's ok to no-ask invite. Obviously, if I get a no-ask invite and I'm standing next to an area where a big boss mob spawns, of course i will not take issue with that...indeed, i'd be grateful, especially if I needed that kill! lol

It's when people make assumptions about what I am doing and that I will WANT to do what they are doing that annoys me. And I am somewhat of an MMO noob myself. I started playing wow in 2008, first video game EVER...last one I played before that was on an archaic device that predates Moses called and Atari LMAO. Pac-Man ftw

You are absolutely right in your assertion that many don't blind invite to be rude. After what I have read on this thread, I really can see that now. I guess I have never viewed a whisper as weird or creepy...especially if it's a simple "wanna do X-heroic?" To me, it seems the polite thing to do! xD But here again, that's my opinion.
Yay, we understand eachother now. I learned a lot from this post, which is why I participated so much. Never having played an MMO before this, it's amazing how much there is to learn beyond the skills, attributes, etc. But I totally get your perspective now too. Oh, and I Atari, Colecovision, I'm all too familiar with those devices...