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if you want to invite me to party, ASK ME first.

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if you want to invite me to party, ASK ME first.

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Laiov
01.29.2012 , 07:39 PM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by Arnokar View Post
It doesn't. If someone harasses you it's way beyond a "ninja" invite...
Agreed. That's the thing. Harassment by ninja-invite is a problem because it's harassment. The means of harassment is not material IMO. That example doesn't really have anything to do with the matter of whether or not it is rude to invite without sending a tell first because a single invite is not harassment.

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daMarek
01.29.2012 , 07:41 PM | #212
Bioware jsut needs to add a "comment" to your invites where you can write whatever you want, something like

"Hey wanna join me to explore this place"
[Accept] [Decline]

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Kabjat
01.29.2012 , 07:42 PM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by Sureth View Post
110% agree with the OP.
Yes, I probably am what is considered "Old School". So be it.

To me it's like shoving your money at the busdriver and then expecting .. what?
For him to be a mindreader and know where you wish to go to? For him to ask "Where to?".
Perhaps you could say "Goodmorning, this destination please." as you give him the money?
Common decency just isn't common anymore, I guess. Yes, I'm aware different people are accustomed to different ways. I am very aware : )

Having said that, I DO realise that most blind invites aren't intended badly, even though they may come across as rude to some of us. I, like many other posters here, just do not like them if I've no idea what you're inviting me for.
And these are the keywords, which many of those disagreeing with the OP are conveniently ignoring: "IF I've no idea what you're inviting me for." That is when a blind invite becomes annoying.

@Sweeper: Obviously if we're asking in /General for an FP and get sent an invite, that is not perceived as rude. We know what the invite is about, we were asking for it.
Keywords reminder: "IF I've no idea what you're inviting me for."

@Several others: Yes, if we're staring at the same mob spawn for the same Elite, we understand why both of us are here. We'll understand what the invite is for.
Keywords reminder: "IF I've no idea what you're inviting me for."

@Yet several others: If I happen to be in an area with you, we do not know which part of which quest the other is on. Maybe the other is just starting, or just done. Maybe I'm just standing there cos my little kid just woke up, or the phone rang. Maybe I'm waiting for a friend to arrive to do the quest with.
Keywords reminder: "IF I've no idea what you're inviting me for."

I'm not your next NPC.
I'm a human being behind a keyboard, just like you. Communicate. Talk to me. What is it you would like to group for? Maybe we can help eachother, maybe not.
If you plan to treat me as your next NPC, then I agree with those that said above they might as well pull out their companion and run with that instead.

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I'll share my little gem from a few days ago:

I just arrived with my new alt at the Fleet and am standing at my trainer, checking the Advanced Skill Trees, trying to decide.
A blind group invite appears on my screen from.. let's call him SilentJoe. I continue to read my Talents, leaving it unanswered.
From the corner of my eye I see my General Chatwindow:
SilentJoe invites you to a group
SilentJoe invites you to a group
SilentJoe invites you to a group
Being in a fairly good mood, I do not roll up my sleeves to give SilentJoe a piece of my mind, but send him a /w asking him if he cares to explain or is just planning to keep spamming blind invites my way.
He replies "Oh, sorry." (indeed no bad intentions, just.. thoughtlessness?)
"Hey, would you mind group with me for guild?"
I'm still not entirely sure what he's after, but as said my mood is good so I accept and end up in group with 3 other pple. I check to make sure he is asking help to start up a guild.
Yes, this is the case.
Then the fact that I'm already in a guild, will probably be a problem.
"Oh sorry, ok. Thnx"
I sighed to myself and shook my head. I wished them luck, left the group and returned to my Skill Trees.

Very well put, and it's almost eerie...I think that same guy is on my server lmao

And just to drive this point home, I have come to understand from many of the comments on this thread that many times it's NOT meant to be rude or to offend the person being invited. I really do understand that. It still doesn't change my opinion about the practice. I will never be rude or mean to anyone for doing it. Nor will I IGNORE them unless they repeatedly do it. I have found in many occasions that if you are to the point and polite, most people take the declining of their invite at face value. No harm done.

I still don't like it. But perhaps after what I have learned on this thread I will be a bit more tolerant next time it happens to me. Admittedly, I WAS very annoyed when I first posted, but it's amazing how seeing a bunch of viewpoints and really thinking about them can bring you back in perspective
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Hidden
01.29.2012 , 07:44 PM | #214
It doesn't take two seconds to ask, so I don't see what the issue is to ask.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I just can't stand being randomely invited. I'm all for someone saying "Hey wanna join?", and I try and be as polite as possible in these situations, but just some random "Révan" inviting me, without even bothering to type a hello annoys me.

I get what people are saying, but if it's so difficult to type, Hey wanna help, then I don't see why I should share my time.

In real life we don't have to say please, but I find saying please gets you alot further than just blatent rudeness.

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mrcaptainpants
01.29.2012 , 07:46 PM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by Jargonaut View Post
These days, if an invite suits my needs I'll take it.
I think you've actually hit on the sticking point here. Some people feel that without some kind of whisper they have no real way of knowing whether or not the invite suits their needs. It obviously suits the needs of the person inviting them, or they wouldn't have sent an invitation. It just seems like the polite thing to do would be to whisper a bit of information to the person you are trying to get help from, so that they can determine whether grouping up is beneficial to them.

On a side note, I completely agree about WAR's public quests. Those were a lot of fun. Well, until the population dropped so low you no longer had enough people in the quest area to do them anymore, lol. But that's another story!

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mrcaptainpants
01.29.2012 , 07:51 PM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by Kabjat View Post
Admittedly, I WAS very annoyed when I first posted, but it's amazing how seeing a bunch of viewpoints and really thinking about them can bring you back in perspective
True for me as well. Its just a shame that some people are unable to express those viewpoints without resorting to unwarranted personal attacks. Which are not necessary. Um, hence the "unwarranted" part.

Yeah.

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Kabjat
01.29.2012 , 07:53 PM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by Joonbeams View Post
It took a while, reading the various posts after yours, for me to understand what the real issue was here. As I've tried to say, I don't think most people do the "ninja invite" to be rude. I say, but I cannot prove either way, that most people do it because they think it's more polite - especially noobs. Yes, re-asking 10x and interrupting a fight and all that is bad and douchy, no disagreement. But if everyone is standing around re-spawning for a heroic, it seems like it should be okay, no?

But in any event, I think my main issue with your post is that it assumes people are being rude or lacking in manners, when many are just noobs who are still learning the proper etiquette. Heck, for me I deliberately did NOT whisper because I assumed that would be more intrusive and/or creepy - pure noobishness, not rudeness. I think the point about the popup window with invites captures a lot of the problem too.
Yep, and it's already been agreed by many in this thread, including myself, that in THAT instance, it's ok to no-ask invite. Obviously, if I get a no-ask invite and I'm standing next to an area where a big boss mob spawns, of course i will not take issue with that...indeed, i'd be grateful, especially if I needed that kill! lol

It's when people make assumptions about what I am doing and that I will WANT to do what they are doing that annoys me. And I am somewhat of an MMO noob myself. I started playing wow in 2008, first video game EVER...last one I played before that was on an archaic device that predates Moses called and Atari LMAO. Pac-Man ftw

You are absolutely right in your assertion that many don't blind invite to be rude. After what I have read on this thread, I really can see that now. I guess I have never viewed a whisper as weird or creepy...especially if it's a simple "wanna do X-heroic?" To me, it seems the polite thing to do! xD But here again, that's my opinion.
Quote: Originally Posted by Thaltom View Post
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Arnokar
01.29.2012 , 07:59 PM | #218
Quote: Originally Posted by Laiov View Post
Agreed. That's the thing. Harassment by ninja-invite is a problem because it's harassment. The means of harassment is not material IMO. That example doesn't really have anything to do with the matter of whether or not it is rude to invite without sending a tell first because a single invite is not harassment.
Ok let's stop with the ninja invite stuff...it's simply an invite. There is no button that says ninja...and 999 out of 1000 people are just trying to be social to accomplish a common goal..

I do it. I don't ninja. And it is not harassment for cripes sake.

It usually gies like this..

I'm waiting on a mob to spawn...Obi Wan comes along and is CLEARLY waiting for the same spawn...I right click his/her portrait and invite them....this is wrong? No it's not...

Obi Wan accepts. We kill said mob. I say thnx. He says thnx. Away we go.

Maybe some of you should just try and see the others point of view too. Does it bother you ? It does, i know, so sorry but you are not being harassed.

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Lethemback
01.29.2012 , 08:01 PM | #219
I agree with the OP, and let me tell you a little story.

I usually just reject ninja party invites, but yesterday I was in a very good mod when I got spammed (literally, I got one invite per second until I accepted) with a ninja party invite in Ilum, so I accepted it, I greeted the party and I asked what was it for. They told me that it was for PvP, and even if I was doing my PvE dailies at the moment, I accepted to give them a hand and do my PvP daily with them. What do you you think that happened? They finished their quest and left me in the cold (they knew that I hadn't finished yet).

That reminded me why I always reject such invitations. If people don't care to ask you before sending the invite, it's pretty likely that they won't care about anything else than themselves for everything. And for all I care, they can go... play alone or with their other rude and selfish friends

Cheers.
There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no death, there is the Force. There is LOVE to defeat the Dark Side.

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Laiov
01.29.2012 , 08:02 PM | #220
Quote: Originally Posted by Arnokar View Post
Ok let's stop with the ninja invite stuff...it's simply an invite. There is no button that says ninja...and 999 out of 1000 people are just trying to be social to accomplish a common goal..
I don't think the term used in this thread really matters.


Quote: Originally Posted by Arnokar View Post
Does it bother you ?
No.