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if you want to invite me to party, ASK ME first.

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if you want to invite me to party, ASK ME first.

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mrcaptainpants
01.29.2012 , 04:09 PM | #141
Quote: Originally Posted by SwiperNoSwiping View Post
My problem is that many of you are trying to impose what you're idea of proper behavior entails. People are raised in many different cultures and generations with different ideas of what is acceptable. Someone else may not view it as rude to invite someone that is looking for that flashpoint without psting them. You expect everyone to behave the same as you and to change to fit what you believe to be proper, instead of the other way around.

To say that you're idea of what is proper conduct is better then someone else's is Arrogant and an example of Cultural Absolutism. You weren't raised like them and have no right to judge they're behavior. Its all about perception and the sooner you understand that everyone is differen't the sooner you might understand why they may not pst you first.

Of course many of what I just said, is thrown out when they behave in a way that can harm or hurt someone else.
You have some valid points here.

However, I don't think its quite as nefarious as you're making it out to be. I don't really feel that people are necessarily trying to impose their will on other people so much as explaining how they perceive things. I think this thread has been pretty successful in reminding me that cold invites without a pst aren't intended to be rude, and it has actually increased my tolerance for them a bit. I still find it a bit jarring that someone who wants me to group with them wouldn't think that actually speaking to me is a sign of courtesy, but, as you say, its probably a culture thing.

That said, understanding is a two-way street. When you say "To say that you're idea of what is proper conduct is better then someone else's is Arrogant and an example of Cultural Absolutism.", you probably should be including those on the other side of the argument, not just the people you happen to disagree with.

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SwiperNoSwiping
01.29.2012 , 04:12 PM | #142
Quote: Originally Posted by Kabjat View Post
Ok, I am going to resist the urge to become offended by your sweeping statement that everyone who has replied to this thread is out to force their beliefs and ideals on those who don't agree. I'm going to not become offended because I truly believe you mean no offense by what you say. I respect where you are coming from though. And the more I think about the entire issue, the more I think the last thing you stated is absolutely true in many cases.

Many people who just invite without pst-ing really do mean no disrespect and for me to get annoyed by it is extreme.

ALTHOUGH! And here is my although that my husband always rolls his eyes and sags a bit xD.....

Although some people ARE being thoughtless when they do this. And these are the ones that need to step up and realize there is a whole world of other people playing the game that they can interact with. Instead, they choose to play like a robot in their race to lvl 50. In my mind, it's selfish of THEM to expect others to have that way of thinking.

See where I'm comin' from? I totally agree with you to a point. I think a good meet in the middle is in order for many of us....especially if we wish to build a strong thriving community.
I agree with much of what you said. Its a two way street they have the right to behave the way they want, but you also have the right to not group up with them. But I don't think ether of the sides in necessarily right, and both should think of the other persons point of view and try to come to some type of compromise. I just don't think people that send out invites to those who post they are looking for a flash point without psting them first should automatically be considered bad guys.
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Kabjat
01.29.2012 , 04:16 PM | #143
Quote: Originally Posted by Anionix View Post
Like even you implied Kabjat, it all depends on the given situation. Obviously, if someone tried to group up with me on Fleet I'd flat out turn it down, but on a planet, where the intentions are fairly apparent, I'd accept before quickly checking if we're on the same level.

I think you're making too much out it, just decline their invite, people are not going to stop doing it because you said so on a forum. Personally, I don't invite without asking myself, but I certainly don't have a problem with it.
Well, I can certainly respect your point. And that may be that I seem rather to have gotten my knickers in a twist over something tiny. But in the end, it's all a matter of opinion and preference. I can select to toggle auto decline invites just as you can do things the way you wish. We can all go on our merry way. xD

It's all subjective given the circumstances. I actually don't mind the wordless invites in an area where such things are commonplace and even make things go more smoothly. My complaint was originally centered around the situation where you are invited to group with no explanation and even when you try to initiate communication it's like pulling teeth. Happened to me this morning.
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Skylarke
01.29.2012 , 04:27 PM | #144
If I'm standing in front of a named NPC spawn and it's obvious we're both there for the same specific objective, a blind invite is fine.

However, if this is NOT the case, it is NEVER okay to send me a blind invite. A polite inquiry as to if I'm on the same questlines or if I'd like to fellow up for a bit (that means in REAL WORDS, no "u grp plz") will get a response from me and I'll either accept or decline politely.
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Sandybeaver
01.29.2012 , 04:44 PM | #145
People who expect to be "asked first" for a party invite, probably have no responsibility in real life and have had everything handed to them and think they are better than everyone.

Its a party invite, the guy is not asking for your freakin routing and account number.
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KnightDLR
01.29.2012 , 04:44 PM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by Skylarke View Post
If I'm standing in front of a named NPC spawn and it's obvious we're both there for the same specific objective, a blind invite is fine.

However, if this is NOT the case, it is NEVER okay to send me a blind invite. A polite inquiry as to if I'm on the same questlines or if I'd like to fellow up for a bit (that means in REAL WORDS, no "u grp plz") will get a response from me and I'll either accept or decline politely.
Yes, the latter phrasing would make me a bit skeptical about grouping up.

As it stands right now, there are only about a handful of people that can blind invite me to a group, and they're either family or very close friends. (And we've probably discussed it either in /w or over the phone before hand.) The only other situation is that which has already been mentioned - when it's for a quest NPC and it's pretty obvious that we're both waiting for the same spawn. Otherwise, even a very brief "Want to help with X?" will pretty much guarantee that, if I'm not otherwise occupied (at which point, I will explain that), I'll accept the incoming invite. Otherwise, the invite will get declined without comment.

All it takes is the smallest act of courtesy to the other person to get it in return.
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KnightDLR
01.29.2012 , 04:52 PM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by Sandybeaver View Post
People who expect to be "asked first" for a party invite, probably have no responsibility in real life and have had everything handed to them and think they are better than everyone.
Based on nearly 30 years of job experience and over 10 years playing games like this, I've found it's pretty much the other way around. As well, pretty much every time I've politely asked for assistance with something, I've gotten more responses than I can handle. I'm also pretty sure that my sincere "Thank you for the help." at the end hasn't hurt future queries for help either.
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Surakis
01.29.2012 , 04:57 PM | #148
Quote: Originally Posted by KnightDLR View Post
Based on nearly 30 years of job experience and over 10 years playing games like this, I've found it's pretty much the other way around. As well, pretty much every time I've politely asked for assistance with something, I've gotten more responses than I can handle. I'm also pretty sure that my sincere "Thank you for the help." at the end hasn't hurt future queries for help either.
I've always found that those who don't want to be bothered unless they have a personal stake are more reflective of the OP.

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Jalden
01.29.2012 , 05:03 PM | #149
Inviting to a group *is* asking about it. Why ask twice?

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Phishums
01.29.2012 , 05:11 PM | #150
Quote: Originally Posted by Kabjat View Post
even MORE astounding is when you hit decline, the invite reappears....as if the player thinks that there must be some mistake or he will wear me down by attrition.
Lol. That gets them ignored; I've done that before and two seconds later a friend of theirs asked why I had to be so rude as to /ignore them, when they were just trying to help me. Oh, the irony.

Usually the random invites happen when you're hanging out near a heroic quest area, so when I'm NOT around one of those and get an invite, it's even weirder. After declining a time or two, I might get a message that says "I just want u to do a quest with me plz", and the other player is halfway across the map. o.O