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Crogga
12.15.2011 , 08:36 AM | #11
There were huge discussions about AC respeccing during beta. (not talent respeccing which is totally different).
The stories are the same but the AC's are different. I was all for AC respec but now I believe in a compromise:
I think you should be allowed to 'test' the other AC at some point while leveling- maybe 2x to see if the other is a better fit for the player. Possibly 4 times like every 10 levels- 20,30,40 and one last at 50. You do not have to repeat the story then- new name etc.
I do not think full respec at any point after 50 is a good idea unless they add some kind of long story quest to change it- which would be cool.
That makes AC be just like talents. If you go down that road- why have ac at all- just give people all abilites and 5 talent trees.
I also don't think charging for it is good because you get guild pressure and that's not cool when money is involved.

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insecta
12.15.2011 , 08:43 AM | #12
I think people are looking at it the wrong way. Advanced class is not part of your spec... its part of your class selection. So there is essentially 8 classes in this game. And you certainly should not be able to switch your advanced class, because Bioware will make the same mistake Blizzard did with all the casual **** to suit people who log on to play 2 hours a week.

That is the reason why WOW lost its vanilla charm. I don't want to see this happen to SWTOR and hopefully Bioware devs have realised that as well.

If people get to change their advanced class whenever they feel like it you will end up with a bunch of players who didnt learn their roles properly and cant play for ****. Making the experience worse for everyone.

Do your research and pick carefully.

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Arkhias
12.15.2011 , 09:45 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by insecta View Post
So there is essentially 8 classes in this game. And you certainly should not be able to switch your advanced class, because Bioware will make the same mistake Blizzard did with all the casual **** to suit people who log on to play 2 hours a week.
Holy ****, are you really condescending to people that have obligations that don't involve the acquisition of digital numbers and pixels?

I am baffled, sir. Well done.

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Invitcted
12.15.2011 , 10:03 AM | #14
I'm deeply saddened that 4 days away from launch people who have obviously preordered the game don't understand that your advanced class is functionally different with different abilities and different core mechanics then your base classes other AC.

For example a Bounty hunter has 2 AC's; Power tech and merc.

Powertech; doesn't use cover, has a lot of shortrange/melee abilities, only uses one pistol and can dps or tank

Merc; Uses cover, has mostly long range abilities, duel wields and can heal or dps.

For the feared wow comparison this is like saying you want to change your character from a hunter to a paladin because 'they have the same story lol'.
They are entirely different classes with different talent trees, abilities, playstyles and mechanics you can't change your class halfway through any other mmo why should you be able too in tor?
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Omiku
12.15.2011 , 11:47 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Invitcted View Post
I'm deeply saddened that 4 days away from launch people who have obviously preordered the game don't understand that your advanced class is functionally different with different abilities and different core mechanics then your base classes other AC.

For example a Bounty hunter has 2 AC's; Power tech and merc.

Powertech; doesn't use cover, has a lot of shortrange/melee abilities, only uses one pistol and can dps or tank

Merc; Uses cover, has mostly long range abilities, duel wields and can heal or dps.

For the feared wow comparison this is like saying you want to change your character from a hunter to a paladin because 'they have the same story lol'.
They are entirely different classes with different talent trees, abilities, playstyles and mechanics you can't change your class halfway through any other mmo why should you be able too in tor?
Bingo!

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Antipiety
12.15.2011 , 12:55 PM | #16
EQ2 has a betrayal quest line which allowed you to change your class to your alternate class (ie Guadrian could switch to Sentinal) and you could change factions i believe this was time consuming and relatively costly.

I'd be okay with something like that added in a few months. Neat little addition this setup allowed you to have faction restricted races switch to other faction/class.

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Tokeii
12.15.2011 , 01:18 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Invitcted View Post
I'm deeply saddened that 4 days away from launch people who have obviously preordered the game don't understand that your advanced class is functionally different with different abilities and different core mechanics then your base classes other AC.

For example a Bounty hunter has 2 AC's; Power tech and merc.

Powertech; doesn't use cover, has a lot of shortrange/melee abilities, only uses one pistol and can dps or tank

Merc; Uses cover, has mostly long range abilities, duel wields and can heal or dps.

For the feared wow comparison this is like saying you want to change your character from a hunter to a paladin because 'they have the same story lol'.
They are entirely different classes with different talent trees, abilities, playstyles and mechanics you can't change your class halfway through any other mmo why should you be able too in tor?
Your stance supporting the segregation of Advanced Classes kind of took a nosedive once it became clear you had no idea what you were talking about. +1 to the "Bingo" guy in his support of your post too.

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Darren_Kitlor
12.15.2011 , 01:40 PM | #18
Advanced class has ZERO impact on story--as well as ZERO impact on Light/Dark affiliation.

I can't think of a single reason why Advanced Class switching can't be added.

Quote: Originally Posted by Invitcted View Post
I'm deeply saddened that 4 days away from launch people who have obviously preordered the game don't understand that your advanced class is functionally different with different abilities and different core mechanics then your base classes other AC.

For example a Bounty hunter has 2 AC's; Power tech and merc.

Powertech; doesn't use cover, has a lot of shortrange/melee abilities, only uses one pistol and can dps or tank

Merc; Uses cover, has mostly long range abilities, duel wields and can heal or dps.

For the feared wow comparison this is like saying you want to change your character from a hunter to a paladin because 'they have the same story lol'.
They are entirely different classes with different talent trees, abilities, playstyles and mechanics you can't change your class halfway through any other mmo why should you be able too in tor?
We're not talking about the difference between Hunter and Paladin.

Most advanced classes share a considerable number of skills and base mechanics to gameplay. If you think they're different enough to use such a comparison, you should really look at the powers list for the advanced classes within the same class.

Also, since when did Bounty Hunters use cover??

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skwrl
12.15.2011 , 02:29 PM | #19
They don't, but his point is sound.

Sorcs and Assassins are very functionally different, as are Operative and Sniper.

It would be very similar to allowing individuals to changing their class in most other games.

A 1 time switch has been thrown around, below level 20, in case of "mistakes". You can be certain that frequent switches wont be allowed.

Dual Specs on the other hand should be making into the game sometime after launch, as per Stephen Reid.

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Loyaltrekie
12.15.2011 , 05:01 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Invitcted View Post
They are entirely different classes with different talent trees, abilities, playstyles and mechanics you can't change your class halfway through any other mmo why should you be able too in tor?
Your ignorance is scary.


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