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Why do Fans turn Star Wars into Dragon Ball Z

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Why do Fans turn Star Wars into Dragon Ball Z

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MysticTrunks
01.29.2012 , 11:37 AM | #11
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Caldus
01.29.2012 , 12:15 PM | #12
I can't agree more that recycling bad guys from the movies is supremely lazy. It's just a crutch to keep from having to create a new and compelling threat to the characters.

I will give credit to Timothy Zahn though, I think the characters he created in the Thrawn Trilogy were deep and well developed. Those are the only books in the EU worth purchasing, IMO.

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01.29.2012 , 12:46 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Riggnas View Post
In my personal experience in hand to hand combat. martial arts, combat sport. "Every dog has it's day." Provided there is a certain skill level and proper motivation.
Well that's irrelevant. We aren't talking about normal martial arts. We are talking about fighters that use a mystical power to enhance their combat abilities and give them new ones. We can only go on their particular feats of power and skill.
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Damador
01.29.2012 , 12:51 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Caldus View Post
I can't agree more that recycling bad guys from the movies is supremely lazy. It's just a crutch to keep from having to create a new and compelling threat to the characters.

I will give credit to Timothy Zahn though, I think the characters he created in the Thrawn Trilogy were deep and well developed. Those are the only books in the EU worth purchasing, IMO.
I'd agree with that. Though I did enjoy the Bounty Hunter Wars Trilogy.
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Theos_Braddock
01.29.2012 , 01:23 PM | #15
I will agree, the whole "Well I have the Force so I automatcally win at everything" take on Force Sensitive characters in the EU is a litte annoying.

Perfect examples of this being Mace Windu in the Animated Clone Wars Series or Starkiller in the Force Uleashed. Granted these examples are at the far end of the spectrum, but it still the fact that whole tv shows, video games, and books have been devoted to the "Awesomeness" of Force Users is begining to grate on me.

I mean if the Jedi/Sith are THAT powerful why even have non-Force users in the Star Wars galaxy? If the Emperor and Luke Skywalker can manipulate black holes, or send entire fleets across interstellar distances, then why even have an army? Just send your respective Jedi or Sith to the battlefield and watch as they would faceroll all opposition without breaking a sweat, all with their magical "I win" button called the Force.

I prefer the "down to Earth" force users we see in the OT, characters that had depth and vulerabilites in combat (Luke getting shot in the hand in ROTJ) who's Force Sensitivity gave them a slight edge over their enemies.

Not "gods" that pull star destroyers out of the sky with one hand while deflecting blaster fire from an entire platoon of Stormtroopers with the lightsaber in the other hand.

Not only does this treatment of Jedi/Sith (IMO) detract from the characters that are force sensitive,

(How are we as an audience suppose to feel empathy and fear for the characters when they just Force crushed an AT-AT two seconds ago and then find themselves caught in a Stormtooper ambush.)

but it also makes any non-Force user have to be even more over the top if they are supposed to compete with said Jedi/Sith (Bobba Fet anyone?).

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Riggnas
01.29.2012 , 03:58 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMoord View Post
Well that's irrelevant. We aren't talking about normal martial arts. We are talking about fighters that use a mystical power to enhance their combat abilities and give them new ones. We can only go on their particular feats of power and skill.
But the "every dog has it's day" still applies. None of them are perfect beings, they are limited by there character. their emotions and state of mind.

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DecimaPoiuytr
01.29.2012 , 04:45 PM | #17
Males like to establish power hierarchies.

Having a X could beat Y debate, his power level is so much higher blah blah, is just an extension of this.

Really I agree though, this kind of thing leads to silliness and boring unimaginative plots.

The original star wars movies were good as someone above me said because it wasn't about duels between characters to see who's dick is longer. Even when there were "epic duels" like luke vs. vader it was about luke trying to rescue the stronger vader from darkness and was placed in the context of a larger story where non-force sensitives were also critical. And the jedi weren't invincible (obi wan didn't kill everyone in a swath on the death star, he snuck around so they wouldn't get overwhelmed), they just had a slight advantage and had to use subterfuge to succeed.

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Theos_Braddock
01.29.2012 , 05:34 PM | #18
I agree wholeheartedly with the above post;

"Down to Earth" Jedi and Sith have the best character, when they are vulnerable and capable of dying we as an audience can empathize with the character and have fear when they are in danger.

The way that certain parts of the EU would have it, is that if you are a character in the Star Wars universe you'd had better hope you are Force Sensitive, because if you are not, then you are regulated to being cannon fodder that the OP Jedi/Sith can try their powers out on, or a useless ally that can offer no help what-so-ever to the Force User.

Acording to some EU sorces, having the force would instantly make one infanatly (sp?) better than a whole platoon of sodiers who had spent their entire adult lives training in warefare tactics, and had the advantage in numbers, or a whole army of robots, designed specifically for warfare and battlefield combat.

Jedi/Sith are cool in small doses, but too much of anything is bad.

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SandsOfArrakis
01.29.2012 , 05:57 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Caldus View Post
I will give credit to Timothy Zahn though, I think the characters he created in the Thrawn Trilogy were deep and well developed. Those are the only books in the EU worth purchasing, IMO.
I agree here. Would love to see this trilogy transferred into a movie trilogy. And could rightly be named Episodes 7-9.

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Deathforged
01.29.2012 , 06:23 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by ZoeTuah View Post
Was that his final death? I couldn't read anymore after I learned that Palpatine had a cloning facility where his soul could be infinitely reborn. Reading past that was almost physically painful.
And he came back more powerful when he resurrected. That was real DBZ crap there. Palp was a super sayan I guess?

Why didn't he throw himself down the shaft over and over again. Why was he old if he knew he could be more powerful from resurrecting?