What SWTOR will be

Well when I want to read a book I read a book and when I want to play a video game I play a video game. I know TOR is very strong on story, and TOR's class stories are really good. I'm just having difficulty justifying a $15 a month sub for a story-based MMO the tries it's best to limit what players can do. I fully admit I am biased towards sandbox and that's probably the reason I'm not happy with TOR right now. But when I think of MMO I think of player interaction, conflicts, drama w/e. There's so little of that here. The different factions can't even speak to each other. It seems like BW went out of their way to limit the interaction between the separate factions except in WZs and Ilum as much as possible.

I would like to PvP on Alderaan after lvl 50 (and I don't mean the WZ). I would like to fight in the swamps on Nal Hutta on my Republic toon or try night time urban hit-and-runs in the debris on Taris. I might like fighting the opposite faction over control of spawns. I would have liked to do a whole number of things in this great looking game (minus the muddy player textures) but I can't because BW doesn't allow me to.

Yeah, I would love to play TOR but as I don't have spare laptop/computer currently and I still need my old laptop for work. Have play games witch do not cause meltdown.

Actually you can speak to the other faction, it's just in "say" if you are within their vicinity. I play Republic and I've spoken to many a Sith on my server.

Not sure what "community" we are speaking of here. Just not seeing it beyond these boards.

We saw quotes like this all over the WoW boards a month after release also. Most of it really unfounded. Lots of it from people expecting, Call of Duty.

This game offers a great deal. Its already FTP (Fun To Play). Its here for the long haul.

I think you're right. And, you remind me of Xarfox, a great gm of a great game

Well I play on a PvP server Red=Dead. I would have liked to sent/received a "Good Fight" /tell after a fight or even "Gank more", "You're terrible" and "Rez again so I can kill you".

The thing is that you can only make a first impression once and that first impression goes a long way when it comes to games. MMO gamers are especially ruthless in this regard.

Look at Age of Conan as an example. It has a great IP. Really nice graphics and somewhat different combat and cool fatalities. It got glowing reviews and was an absolute blast for the first 20 levels, while you were in Tortage. However, the game was incredibly buggy at launch, lacked content past level 20 and had really terrible customer service. And even though Funcom continued to develop the game and fixed most of the issues, AoC never fully recovered and went F2P with an item shop recently.

Gone are the days when we had a handful of MMOs to choose from. This genre is saturated and each year we get more AAA launches. Look at the AAA line up for this year alone: Guild Wars 2, Tera, Planetside 2, Firefall, WoW's next expansion... People will be more likely to try out one of those than go back to the one that already disappointed them.

I do hope that BioWare makes this game better. I love Star Wars and want a good MMO in that setting but I highly doubt that it will become as successful as it could have been.

1) Um..do you not read many web sites? Massively forums, Giant in the Play Ground, Cursed? How about 2/3 of the post on this forum? The community has already dubbed this game a failure.

2) I was in WoW at its original release; what crack are you smoking. People were praising it because it was much more player friendly than its competition in the day, Asherons Call and Everquest. It had an actual quest system, auction house, more interesting class interaction mechanics, etc.

3) What does this game offer? People say this and I always find it bemusing.

It offers voice overs. Other games have similar plot, its just in quest text so people ignore it. In SWTOR, after 20-30 levels, you end up space barring through it.

Companions are dressed up class pets. Very well dressed up mind you, I will concede that it is 'unique'.

Space Combat is at most a mini game, other games have mini games ..

The class design is stolen from WoW, almost verbatum in certain classes cases (Sith Warrior=WoW Warriors, complete with sunder, charge(force lead), a rage mechanic system, etc).

Lets count instead how it failts


GTN is horribly implemented

PvP was horribly implemented

Operations are a joke. Most guilds cleared out EV within 2-3 days of starting it. No WoW raid was ever that easy, even the Cata starting content that players critisized heavily for being too easy (and thus leaving them with nothing to do) was not that easy.

The game lags to all **** if there are 20 + players on the screen, regardless of your system specs. This has been confirmed on a number of forums, even with INI changes and driver updates. The issue is the band game engine.

No LFG Tool (most modern games launch with this)

No customizable UI (games launch with this since 2008. Every MMO since warhammer had a customizable UI at launch)

No Combat Log (Hello Kitty Online even has this)

No Macros (Again, Hello Kitty Online even has this)


What SWTOR Offers is simple; Star Wars. And some of you are blind to this being a crappy game because ZMOG LIGHTSABERS AND DARK SIDE POINTS(Which mean nothing at all).

You know the best thing about your posts? They are all negative. This means that you are so butthurt over this game that it is killing you inside to the point that all you can do is... well... be negative. Why not try being positive and play the game for what it is and enjoy? The other option is to renew over at HKO and complain there.

If he's so smart, how come he's dead?