What SWTOR will be

I have a couple of things I'd like to clarify.

You see, I have a theory. My theory is that , realistically, the problem with the game is that it is very inconsistent in who and what it caters to, and who and what it's marketed to.

I've seen three types of players, Sarfux.

I've seen the kind that rush to 50 and the end-game because that is the kind of gameplay they value. They could care less about the story, MMO's aren't about stories, they're about interacting with other people. If you want a story it's up to you to make it, not to be railroaded through a few hundred cutscenes only to end up in the same exact place regardless of your choices, which have affected nothing but a few story rewards and which set of fuzzles you have to kill or bring back, and what color your saber is. The "end-game raid/PVP" people are giving up on this game because it's not for them, and Bioware continues to try to say it is, instead of just being honest.

Bioware has made a lot of efforts in fixing FPS, in dealing with PVP balance, fixing raid bugs and PVP bugs, and taking a stab at Ilum. None of these have really improved anything, we're stuck with a slightly different, futuristic and kinda buggy version of WoW content, and Huttball. And there's not any sandbox content coming, there's very little word on what will change to really shift this up, a lot of talk about 1.2 and Legacy and that's it.

People like you dismiss most of the above because, in my opinion, the game is aimed at a different group. People who level very slow, and don't play much, or who play 8 or more alts and take forever to get to max level. People who don't focus very much on any one character, who don't really feel competitive and who are more interested in occassional social interactions in the game but solo most of the time.

For that crowd? The game is very literally flawless and perfect, and in that market crushes WoW, RIFT and all other MMO's on every possible level. Graphics are good, the story is interesting, there's lots of things to do on the way to 50, and by the time the "main body" of the playerbase is at 50 , 1.2 and some further patches will be out. For you guys, what the group I spoke of above is literally nonsense, as you not only don't see it, but you can't even understand the play-style that would lead to it.

Finally, there are those who do level slowly but have hit 50 earlier than they expected, and are now very displeased because there is no end-game, and have basically decided to wait and see. They're on the fence. They can (and sometimes do) play with a few alts but they were looking for more engaging features and, to be honest, stuff from other games. Whether they wanted EQ3, or SWG 2, or World of Wookies... they didn't find it.


Now, here's why we have all this ... forum mess. For people who only care about end-game and PVP and raids and , well, epeen, story is meaningless. And it's not really fair to imply that they're wrong for thinking that way when the bulk of improvements Bioware has done recently is fixing those systems. Despite strong-sounding noises made early on about not catering to the hardcore, a review of the bug list fixes is mostly PVP, Raids, and what we call QOL (quality of life) issues.

None of these really interrupt or even effect the story-only, level alts and enjoy the game people. Why is Bioware working so hard on these, then, when they have the majority of the population locked into the wonderful story and world they've built?

There are only two possibilities. One is that Bioware is a wonderful company and , despite the fact that according to everyone that the PVP/Raid/End-Game playerbase is a minority, they want everyone to have a wonderful experience and are willing to waste money to ensure that.

The other is that they aren't the minority everyone says they are, and that Bioware has had to adjust their targets if they want to keep their playerbase impressively large. I would submit that we might break 2.5 million. But you certainly won't do it if you tell conventional MMO players that their way of playing the game is wrong, that what they value has no value, and that wanting it to change is trolling or hating.

A company like Bioware would not bother with this focus if there wasn't money to be made. They said they needed 500,000 to make a profit. That is probably the people like you, who are content with what they got. To make a bigger profit they have to move beyond that.

Every time people say "the game is fine" the people who don't think it's fine will complain. And as long as Bioware is paying attention to those issues and not issuing "story expansions" or anything like that, the unhappy masses will continue to complain.

My worthless two cents.

Sarfux, this game is a WoW clone but poorly done with no Inovation beyond the Story...which gets "spacebarr'ed" after the first or second toon.

To the internet world, a lot of mmos will always be a wow clone no matter how good the game is if it has hotbars, together with abilities, together with a 3rd person character view.

Delusional or a DEV?

Dude, there are many other games already on the Market that surpass this game on many levels. Even games no longer in existance.

Dude, just stop.

Extremely well said, LogicalPremise. Good insights. I think you're dead-on about the kind of players that exist in the game, and what their expectations are.

My biggest problem with SWTOR and why i unsubbed is the lack on sosial endgame
on all lvls.There is no plance to hang out with others were we trade dual RP what ever.
No end game planet with awesome and fun open world PvP were in the end of days players go back to the social place and hang out after the battles are over.And these things should all be on the same planet with all the endgame vendors, GTN,barbershop etc.

There should be a great social endgame planet were players want to hang out.
Not like depressing Ilum with nothing on it but a tiny cantina underground no one uses.
But a planet like Voss or Hoth.

What do we do now ? Hang around in a boring hallway on fleet next to a daily pvp box.
Atlest they could have made the weekly/daily bounty box into living npcs that were standing
in a ops room giving you these missions like they meant something.With VO saying things like, your mission for today,For the republic ! Or Here are your orders, glory to the Empire !

I mean how hard is it ...

wrong,
wow is a EQ clone.

the idiot mmo community maybe or the wow fanboys

no..people like him.

They are people who think what THEY say is the ONLY THING that matters and when they make predictions they WILL COME TRUE. Why? well..they have to right? Because it's them!

But if it doesn't...they go MAD, or if others have better opinions or they get nailed on subjects, they don't like that...therefore ATTACK MODE!!

That's what we, as an mmo community, have to deal with no unfortunately

don't worry, once gw2 is released the few that are left can have your ghost-town. The rest will move on and if GW2 doesn't deliver....they will get the Tortanic wrath.