What SWTOR will be

LOL ya. Interesting how some either forget or fudge their resumes pretending they were there. That's RP I suppose.

WoW shipped with zero PvP BGs and no WPVP. Gurubashi was added a month after release, a PvP honor system didn't exist until 5 months after release and the first battlegrounds (ATV & Warsong) weren't added until 6 months after release. Other than Ony there was no end game for 14 months until AQ was patched in. Regional world bosses Azuregos and Kazzak weren't added until 4 months after release. The game launched with 8 dungeons (Scarlet, BFD, Gnomer, Ulda, ST, RFD, BRS & Strat) and Mara was added with Gurubashi. That's 9 dungeons, 1 raid boss & 1 PvP battleground at this time in it's lifecycle.

In WoWspeak, TOR already has 9 dungeons (Esseles, BT, Hammer, Athiss, MR, Cad, BP, T5 and D7); 12 world boss raids (SD-0, The First, Subject Alpha, Grandfather, Trapjaw, R4-DL, Ulgo, Warbot, Ancient One, Snowblind, Gargath & Destroyer); 2 end game raids (EV and KP); 3 battlegrounds (BA, Huttball and VS) and a space daily minigame. One could surmise that the ship's many item slots are reserved for more than rail quests from a gunnery chair.

WoW even overhauled their model and animation system 2 months before release and it took them a year to get it right.

By Memorial day TOR should have a workably customizable UI, a handle on the combat mechanics & fp/ops bugs, a mature server transfer system, seriously improved PvP and even more FPs and end game Ops content. It's considerably better than what doomsaying trolls and moles would want us to believe - especially at this early stage of its evolution.

Now were BioWare to eventually open up space to free flight, squadron fps, armada ops & PvP ... then SWTOR could easily become a 300lb gorilla. There will never be another 600lb one.

You fail to see over 2 million people did give the game a change.

Its not that people didnt give the game a chance its that Bioware took advantage of people wanting a star wars MMO and hyped it up and then gave us this garbage. I am not going to wait 2-6 months for something that should have been in the game from launch.

Just because we are not willing to keep paying $15 dollars a month to hopefully get something added to the game is not us not giving the game a chance.

Bioware had a chance to push itself into the MMO scene with the star wars name. All they did was give us a lemon without a glass so we cant even make our own lemon-aid.

That 1.7 million subscribers was for the first month. The problem with this game isn't its short term potential (yes, the game is currently doing well) but its long term potential. What about the numbers 3 months from now? 6? I guarantee they will tell a different story

Your claim that there are 10k concurrent forum users is interesting considering some threads have over 500k views (yeah, some viewed it twice, but you're delusional if you think everyone viewed it 50 times).

Most people who complain, in fact, either just drop the game completely or only let their friends and people who they're playing with know. You make the assumption that if they're not on the forums complaining then they're not complaining at all, which is ridiculous.

I don't pretend to know where this game is going to go (unlike you). We will see in time. But to claim that this game is going to be successful 2 years down the line because the FIRST MONTH subscription numbers are high is insane. Especially considering that the problems with this game are with the longevity, not the 1-50 experience.

I can't give you a sure-fire formula for success, but I can give you a formula for failure: try to please everybody all the time.

Herbert Bayard Swope (1882 - 1958)

This will be the best MMO on the market by far soon, maybe even the best ever,.

Just to reply to your best ever.
No MMO will ever break the record for which WoW had. I think the glory days of the one king mmo is over as there are just so many more out there at the moment that one will never reach the 12 million peak again.

As for SWTOR there is no immersion in the worlds to go with the fact that it is too linear with a lack of options on where to quest. Other than your class story being the different your leveling path is going to be the same. For this reason alone i cannot even log into this game anymore to move on from leveling. I do not even have a max level character highest being 25. Have about 4 different classes now all about 20 odd, doing the same **** planets over and over is tedious to say the least. I am not interested in end game because i get enough of it from WoW.

The question remains though is how much time do you give them to improve?

John Holmes begs to differ.