No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Setanian

01.30.2012 , 01:17 PM \| #931
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar Which is something that not everyone agrees to be on equal footing. Your default position is that any perceived 'need' on your part - visual, stat or companion is equally important. I disagree with that assessment on its face. Your system benefits you and only you (unless everyone in your group shares it, of course) while mine benefits others as well. How can you possibly not agree? One players says they need it for x, you say you need it for y. You both roll and he wins. You feel aggrieved now? Why? You rolled and lost. If you do not want to roll greed because your playing the martyr card, fine, that's your choice. But don't dare dictate that anyone or everyone has to share your martyrdom. Obviously if you are going to roll greed all the time, you are going to offer a benefit to the other members. great good on you. I want to be in your group all the time.
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ferroz

01.30.2012 , 01:17 PM \| #932
Quote: Originally Posted by Grecanis edit Sorry ..forgot to quote the post I was referring to. self�ish /ˈsɛlfɪʃ/ Show Spelled[sel-fish] 1. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. 2. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives --- dis�re�spect /ˌdɪsrɪˈspɛkt/ Show Spelled[dis-ri-spekt] Show IPA noun 1. lack of respect; discourtesy; rudeness. verb (used with object) 2. to regard or treat without respect; regard or treat with contempt or rudeness. Origin: 1605�15; dis-1 + respect Synonyms 1. contempt, disregard, irreverence. -- re�spect�ful /rɪˈspɛktfəl/ Show Spelled[ri-spekt-fuhl] Show IPA adjective full of, characterized by, or showing politeness or deference: a respectful reply. --- cour�te�ous /ˈkɜrtiəs/ Show Spelled[kur-tee-uhs] Show IPA adjective having or showing good manners; polite. --- Now you tell me who's argument better represents which definition The person who's insisting that he's the only one who's allowed to roll need, and gets incensed if you do for reasons that aren't in alignment with the ones that he has. Specifically, from least selfish to most selfish: the guy who passes on everything the guy who greeds on stuff he wants, and doesn't object if someone needs on it, even if they have different reasons for hitting need than he does. the guy who needs on stuff he wants, and doesn't object if someone needs on it, even if they have different reasons for hitting need than he does. the guy who needs on everything the guy who needs on stuff he wants and pitches a fit if someone else needs on it for a different reason other than his reasons
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Loendar

01.30.2012 , 01:18 PM \| #933
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian How can you possibly say that? You are entitled to roll too. If you don't or you pass or greed, is entirely your choice. Not mine, nor is it any of my business. But, just because you don't click need, does not in any infer that I should follow suit. I say it because it is the baseline difference in our opinions. You feel you are entitled to roll on everything that drops in a group setting regardless of others present and the more direct benefit they may get from that item. I chose to censor myself from loot whoring everything for myself and respect others. It is as simple as that. I'm not telling you that you aren't allowed to roll on anything you want, I'm just pointing out how everyone adopting your mentality is detrimental to a team game. The age old adage holds resoundingly true - there is no I in team, but your playstyle sure as hell is making there one.

Loendar

01.30.2012 , 01:19 PM \| #934
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian How can you possibly not agree? One players says they need it for x, you say you need it for y. You both roll and he wins. You feel aggrieved now? Why? You rolled and lost. If you do not want to roll greed because your playing the martyr card, fine, that's your choice. But don't dare dictate that anyone or everyone has to share your martyrdom. Obviously if you are going to roll greed all the time, you are going to offer a benefit to the other members. great good on you. I want to be in your group all the time. Get off your high horse - being respectful of others in a group setting isn't remotely martyrdom.

VanorDM

01.30.2012 , 01:19 PM \| #935
Quote: Originally Posted by Grecanis Now you tell me who's argument better represents which definition Neither, but I'm about one post away from adding you to my ignore list, because of this. You clearly feel that you are somehow morally and ethically superior because of your opinion, and I refuse to get into a debate with someone who claims the moral high ground over an opinion. What I'm doing isn't harming anyone, because I have as much right to the fruit of my labor as does everyone else in the party. Unless of course you believe that the proper and unselfish act, would be for me to expect everyone else to act only for my benefit. No where have I ever said I expect them to act solely on for my benefit.

ispanolfw

01.30.2012 , 01:19 PM \| #936
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz I'm not sure any of those actually drop. I know I can make some with synthweaving (jedi knight/smuggler only, pieces, for example) but I don't remember any drops like this. They do, i've seen a few in some groups. Plus the Orange Bracers/Belts that are few and far between are restricted to base classes. Though they don't drop in FPs that I know of, at least the lower level ones. Was farming the mobs that drop the low leveled ones last night on my Marauder, ended up with an orange Inquisitor Belt and IA Bracer.

face_hindu

01.30.2012 , 01:20 PM \| #937
ferroz, Setanian, crica, et. al.: you are the minority (3 to 1 against you), and I'm pretty sure you've only convinced one person in 200+ pages. You keep saying the same things over and over. Please stop. We feel you, brahs.
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Setanian

01.30.2012 , 01:22 PM \| #938
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar I say it because it is the baseline difference in our opinions. You feel you are entitled to roll on everything that drops in a group setting regardless of others present and the more direct benefit they may get from that item. I chose to censor myself from loot whoring everything for myself and respect others. It is as simple as that. I'm not telling you that you aren't allowed to roll on anything you want, I'm just pointing out how everyone adopting your mentality is detrimental to a team game. The age old adage holds resoundingly true - there is no I in team, but your playstyle sure as hell is making there one. Again! This is more supposition, used in some to cast discredit. If you kept up with my posts, I have always advocated deciding at the time of roll whether to need/greed/pass. That in no way takes away from, it is my choice to choose how I roll. What you want is for me, to roll-over and agree that your way is best. It is not. Further, you keep using obscenities to in some cast more discredit. 'loot whoring'.. Now while I don't really care how bad you are at debating, I would ask, that your restrict yourself to facts and not suppositions. And while you're at it, keep it clean. You have absolutely ni justification for using such words.
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crica

01.30.2012 , 01:22 PM \| #939
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu ferroz, Setanian, crica, et. al.: you are the minority (3 to 1 against you), and I'm pretty sure you've only convinced one person in 200+ pages. You keep saying the same things over and over. Please stop. We feel you, brahs. We are not here to convince anyone. We are here to defend the right to have equal claim to the fruits of our labors in a group and to suggest ways for players who do not agree with us to still be able to play their way while we still play our way and to recuse the false accusations.

ispanolfw

01.30.2012 , 01:22 PM \| #940
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar I say it because it is the baseline difference in our opinions. You feel you are entitled to roll on everything that drops in a group setting regardless of others present and the more direct benefit they may get from that item. I chose to censor myself from loot whoring everything for myself and respect others. It is as simple as that. I'm not telling you that you aren't allowed to roll on anything you want, I'm just pointing out how everyone adopting your mentality is detrimental to a team game. The age old adage holds resoundingly true - there is no I in team, but your playstyle sure as hell is making there one. It's not his opinion that he is entitled to roll on anything that drops when he helped contribute to the encounter. It's what the system gives us. You aren't wrong to place artificial restrictions beyond that, that's your choice and how you choose to play. But that doesn't give you the right to tell others they are wrong in the way they play, so long as they do it within the confines of the system.

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