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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Halinalle
01.30.2012 , 01:02 PM | #921
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
not the ones from the daily quest rewards?
Haven't found any good mods I could buy with daily commendations. Again I don't need Aim as primary stat if I play melee class.

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Vydor_HC
01.30.2012 , 01:03 PM | #922
Quote: Originally Posted by Grecanis View Post
Now you tell me who's argument better represents which definition
The people suggesting others should subject themselves to an idea of need not shared by all.

I see those saying equal opportunity to roll on what they need as being the least selfish of any here.

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ispanolfw
01.30.2012 , 01:03 PM | #923
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
I concede that you can use orange gear to look a specific way. If you will concede that you can use ALL gear to look a certain way.

The difference is that orange gear brings a whole host of other items with it that go far beyond appearance and that rolling based on the aspect of how it looks while ignoring a legitimate practical use is 'wrong'.
So your way of playing is greater than theirs? Really now, please back this up. Within the confines that you're not paying more than them for a more privileged experience.

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ferroz
01.30.2012 , 01:04 PM | #924
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Which is something that not everyone agrees to be on equal footing.

Your default position is that any perceived 'need' on your part - visual, stat or companion is equally important.

I disagree with that assessment on its face.
Yes, we know. We've been telling you this for 3 thread restarts now (I think)

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Your system benefits you and only you (unless everyone in your group shares it, of course) while mine benefits others as well.
False. My system provides the same benefits to everyone equally; your system only benefits people who have the same priorities on loot as you do, and gives lesser benefit to those that don't share your priority.

Mine is the inherently more fair system.

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Creed_Buhallin
01.30.2012 , 01:08 PM | #925
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Your system benefits you and only you (unless everyone in your group shares it, of course) while mine benefits others as well.
This is only valid if you completely disregard another player's enjoyment.

As I've mentioned, my wife cares a lot about her character's looks. If I impose a bad look on her for the sake of my own capability, I'm reducing her enjoyment of the game. I won't do that. If it gets so bad that we can't progress, that's one thing, and she balances that with her look. She was, for a while, wearing a better-statted item that she didn't like the look of. She did so reluctantly, and when she got the Cademimu jacket she was thrilled.

You're actually not wrong that stat benefits extend outside, while appearance will be largely personal. But that doesn't mean you can just disregard it. My wife is respectful of the stats side - if she can't perform, she'll go with a look she dislikes for the sake of better stats. But in general, we do just fine, and someone choosing an appearance option over a stats option is not going to cause the group to go into a tailspin of incompetence.

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crica
01.30.2012 , 01:08 PM | #926
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Which is something that not everyone agrees to be on equal footing.
Which is fine.

If they speak up and ask the group to change the game's default group loot rules before the group begins to run the FP, then they will know if the group agrees with them or not and they can then make an informed decision of whether to stay in the group or go find one that does agree instead.

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ispanolfw
01.30.2012 , 01:10 PM | #927
Quote: Originally Posted by Grecanis View Post
That reply was both "it's my right" and "it's my decision" all wrapped together with no real explanation of exactly what it is about cosmetics or companions that make them rise to the level of need over the functionality of a fellow player who is actually in the instance.
People have different playstyles, really how hard is that to understand? Just because someone prefers looks over stats when choosing gear, they are automatically wrong? You get to tell them they are playing wrong and their notion of "need" isn't good enough to roll need? Do you understand now that your way or the majority's way isn't the ONLY way, and majority or not there is no right to force it upon others. And before any say something about me forcing mine on others, mine conflicts with the system as well, i'm not forcing the system on you, that's just how it is already.

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Setanian
01.30.2012 , 01:10 PM | #928
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Okay. More to point.

Your concept of what is a valid 'entitled' roll greatly outstrips my opinion of what qualifies. Therefore, you are inherently - in your estimation - entitled to more than I am.
How can you possibly say that?

You are entitled to roll too. If you don't or you pass or greed, is entirely your choice. Not mine, nor is it any of my business.

But, just because you don't click need, does not in any infer that I should follow suit.
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ferroz
01.30.2012 , 01:11 PM | #929
Quote: Originally Posted by Halinalle View Post
Haven't found any good mods I could buy with daily commendations. Again I don't need Aim as primary stat if I play melee class.
You get a mod a day from the heroics....

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ferroz
01.30.2012 , 01:13 PM | #930
Quote: Originally Posted by PeepsMcJuggs View Post
Okay, I think you're still confused by what I'm saying. Items that can be equipped by anybody, regardless of whether they boost your stats or not? Sure, fair game. I'm talking specifically about those items that you cannot equip even if you wanted to. The ones that are restricted to a specific class. If an item can only be equipped by, say, Jedi, then I think the system should be set up so only Jedi can roll Need for it.
I'm not sure any of those actually drop. I know I can make some with synthweaving (jedi knight/smuggler only, pieces, for example) but I don't remember any drops like this.