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4h. downtime... a SATURDAY???


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Terrahero
01.28.2012 , 11:06 AM | #771
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhaldros View Post
How many times do I have to say I'm Australian and get it worse than you? I, of all people, would absolutely love it if the servers went down US prime time. Get over yourself.
Ow get over yourself, except for that first line the rest of my post wasnt aimed at you in particular. But at the general audience who thinks its fine that Bioware shafts their customers. And think it odd that the customers complain when getting shafted.

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Maidel
01.28.2012 , 11:07 AM | #772
Quote: Originally Posted by EsotericWhim View Post
What I find funny about all this is everyone who is playing agreed to the terms of service, and they are quite detailed in terms of server down time.

So, the people who are complaining, either didn't read it, or did, and are conveniently forgetting the ToS because it gets in the way of their oh-so-righteous consumer raaaaaeg!!11oneeleventyone?.
OR, are well informed EU gamers who know that the TOS and EULA have utterly no basis in law in the EU/UK and thus arent worth the electronic paper its written on.

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Mormack
01.28.2012 , 11:07 AM | #773
Quote: Originally Posted by Triss View Post
No point arguing with a logical American. You're clearly wrong. Your logic is clearly not right.

I still vote for a split from USA. Give the EU our own website, team and forums and let the Americans have their own.

Or put these mysterious NA favoured downtimes at 3PM CST until 7PM.
Because their argument is ILLOGICAL and doesn't make ANY DAMN SENSE to anyone with half a brain that knows that patches require people and people and patches on off patch days require to call in those people...especially when they are on a saturday morning.

Logistics are hard.

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Part_Time_Hero
01.28.2012 , 11:09 AM | #774
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalantris View Post
Yes, but there's a difference between QQ and customers complaining about crappy service. What Bioware specializes at is crappy service it seems. Downtimes during peak hours, customer service, that can't read, 2 hours in queue in their callcentre, you name it. I'm pretty sure there's a 50/50 chance, that if you come up with a random fail Bioware did exactly that.



How many times do I have to say I don't give a damn about Australia? The game wasn't launched there. There are no oceanic servers. There are US and EU servers. We demand equal treatment from Bioware. Once you get your oceanic servers you can start complaining. Comprende?

Regards,
Kalantris
why are you so rude to oceanic players?

im a us player and think your booware cheerleading is rather unwarrented at the least

a company performing a patch on a weekend for a mmo is not the norm unless it is an emergany for xploit fix and they tend to share the fix with customer base which is the bottom line here .. something you seem to not comprehend

bioware has not shared with us anything that was absolutely need to be patched on a weekend thus far that could not have waited til tuesday

end of story

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MikelGoff
01.28.2012 , 11:09 AM | #775
So if they don't patch quickly, they are shafting customers.
If they patch at specific times, they're shafting customers.

Let's lay down the ground rules for Bioware on when they can do things, how they can do them, and so forth.

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Khenu
01.28.2012 , 11:10 AM | #776
Quote: Originally Posted by Kelenae View Post
You have a pretty high horse. Do not think any company can match this entitlement.
In fact there are alot of companies that can match this entitlement. It doenst mean that you really have to fullfil all ouf your customer wishes. Sometimes its impossible. But you can still do even this things with a good communcation. You can say sorry and explain why you have to do. You can avoid making mistakes a second time or try to correct mistakes like you have done.

To this special case. BW cound have thought BEFORE lunch wheat this patching times means for EU players. After lunch and complaints they could make an announcment "We understand your problems and will fix it until ....", they could have written somewhere WHY it was so important to shut down the server today and offer a small compensation or something.

All things not diffuclt and very normal for every company which has a good customer relationship in mind. One of this things and I would be still paying customer.

If you want to have a famous american example. Look at amazon for examle, or blizzard. They know how to do it.

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Kelenae
01.28.2012 , 11:10 AM | #777
Quote: Originally Posted by MikelGoff View Post
So if they don't patch quickly, they are shafting customers.
If they patch at specific times, they're shafting customers.

Let's lay down the ground rules for Bioware on when they can do things, how they can do them, and so forth.
So the best move is to not to play..... Would like a to play a game of Chess?

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Maidel
01.28.2012 , 11:10 AM | #778
Quote: Originally Posted by Mormack View Post
Because there are PEOPLE that work for the company. The computer doesn't just shut it down and do it automatically. They have to CALL IN the people who work on the systems...They have to make sure they ALL can make it on a day they wouldn't normally be doing this, and they have to make sure the patch is ready...There's logistics here you are ignoring but it must be nice to live in a world that doesn't require labor and manpower to get things done. To not understand that there are people working on the game and that they deserve a decent timeframe too.
Which, by definition, isnt an EMERGENCY.

You dont turn up at a hospital in an ambulance and get told 'sorry, we have to assemble a team, it will take a few hours...'

They have server techs 24hrs a day 365 days a year. In EMERGENCIES the servers are taken down at very short notice and patched immediately.

What you posted would make a TINY bit of sense if they waited until the DAY time where the servers are, but they didnt, they would have had to call in a load of people in the middle of the night.

Are you telling me that in an EMERGENCY it just so happened that the EMERGENCY happpend exactly 8 hours before it could be fixed and that so coincidentally occured exactly 8 hours before the exact same time they take the servers down normally - 8am GMT?

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Zazlow
01.28.2012 , 11:13 AM | #779
First mmo experience?

New game is new.

It will recieve patches, updates, bug squashes, exploit fixes, etc etc

Not just on maintenance day either.

This happens with mmo's that have been out for 10+ years.

Welcome aboard.

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Mormack
01.28.2012 , 11:13 AM | #780
Quote: Originally Posted by Khenu View Post
In fact there are alot of companies that can match this entitlement. It doenst mean that you really have to fullfil all ouf your customer wishes. Sometimes its impossible. But you can still do even this things with a good communcation. You can say sorry and explain why you have to do. You can avoid making mistakes a second time or try to correct mistakes like you have done.

To this special case. BW cound have thought BEFORE lunch wheat this patching times means for EU players. After lunch and complaints they could make an announcment "We understand your problems and will fix it until ....", they could have written somewhere WHY it was so important to shut down the server today and offer a small compensation or something.

All things not diffuclt and very normal for every company which has a good customer relationship in mind. One of this things and I would be still paying customer.

If you want to have a famous american example. Look at amazon for examle, or blizzard. They know how to do it.
Blizzard also makes you buy a separate copy of the game to play with your friends from across the pond.

Bioware does not.

Bioware runs both EU and NA servers on the same client

Therefore, it doesn't make sense to bring down NA servers to patch and then do the same for EU servers later...especially since they all run the same client and you can't bring the client down to patch for certain people but not others.

There are logistics involved that Europeans seem to not get. They seem to not understand the NIGHTMARE of bringing down people's clients regionally since the client isn't localized.