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Playable and Companion species suggestion checklist thread

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Playable and Companion species suggestion checklist thread

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Jawa_Trooper
08.01.2012 , 09:06 PM | #311
i agree with Vitas, making me pay for something i wanted in the game before the game was even in Beta is.........well it would anger me greatly.
According to BioWare, I lack the imagination to get into the mindset of a species that doesn't have a pretty, human-looking face. I feel inclined to disagree http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?r...ae0e4569459154
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CelCawdro
08.01.2012 , 10:08 PM | #312
I don't see how you can complain when you are assigning completely arbitrary value to the coins and throwing around completely baseless speculation regarding costs. For all we know, "only" 150 coins could net you every species they ever release. Likely? Perhaps not. But just as likely and supported as your speculation.

To say that having new species added to whatever store is a bad idea because of your own unfounded speculation is just... odd.

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Vitas
08.01.2012 , 11:04 PM | #313
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
I don't see how you can complain when you are assigning completely arbitrary value to the coins and throwing around completely baseless speculation regarding costs. For all we know, "only" 150 coins could net you every species they ever release. Likely? Perhaps not. But just as likely and supported as your speculation.

To say that having new species added to whatever store is a bad idea because of your own unfounded speculation is just... odd.
Well I'm basing this on how much it currently costs to unlock a species for a different class through legacy compared to the legacy perks. Like I said it would alienate new and even existing subscribed players to have to purchase with additional costs to choose a species they'd like to be (not counting free-to-play players). The only acceptable time for when a player has to pay for a new playable species is with an expansion pack.
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Izorii
08.02.2012 , 01:02 AM | #314
Quote: Originally Posted by Vitas View Post
Well I'm basing this on how much it currently costs to unlock a species for a different class through legacy compared to the legacy perks. Like I said it would alienate new and even existing subscribed players to have to purchase with additional costs to choose a species they'd like to be (not counting free-to-play players). The only acceptable time for when a player has to pay for a new playable species is with an expansion pack.
I dont see us getting new species any time soon (other than Cathar). My hope would be as a vantity item it seems logical to put them in a cash shop. Its one of the few things which can be added which would not add any additional power to a character that people have already said they would purchase. Better to use the 1450 cartel coins I will get on something I want rather than additional bank slots.

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DARKASSAIN
08.03.2012 , 11:02 PM | #315
After reading through a large amount of posts in this thread i have concluded that making my personal favorite races wouldnt be the end of the world, they are trandoshans, kaleesh and wookies. Their own already in game dialoge could be combined with sub-titles that are already in game and if you dont like it dont be one of them. About the armor issue, if you can hide the armor on your head, why can wookies just have all of their armor be hidden while applying the bonuses, same goes with trandoshan head and boot slots and kaleesh head slots. Wookies armor could add something like chewbacca's ammo sash. Their already in game why would it be so hard to add something that most of your fans want bioware, i may love your work bioware but you should really listen to your fans.
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TriggerBlade
08.04.2012 , 12:17 PM | #316
A ton of these races simply won't and can not work without a immence amounts of retconning. This isn't my opinion and I'm not saying this because I don't want this to happen like so many people are quick to say when somone makes a post.

We simply can NOT have a bunch of these because of reasons that you can find out if you click on the links given.

Also non basic speaking races could work but I know for a fact that a majority of players would get sick of it real fast.

And we all know that a Wookie would be a troll race because people would just walk up and start making wookie sounds.

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Vitas
08.04.2012 , 06:39 PM | #317
Quote: Originally Posted by TriggerBlade View Post
A ton of these races simply won't and can not work without a immence amounts of retconning. This isn't my opinion and I'm not saying this because I don't want this to happen like so many people are quick to say when somone makes a post.

We simply can NOT have a bunch of these because of reasons that you can find out if you click on the links given.
When selecting them, I made sure that they wouldn't be conflicting already existing canon so you can have another read through. Most of them don't feature their date of discovery so as you can see, it could be any time. Already before SWTOR was released, the Essential Atlas showed the area of space where the Kaleesh and Rattataki lived as not being discovered until much later but here we see them. Most of these things can be due to the Ruusan Reformation which lead to a lot of species, locations and technology becoming forgotten until the time of the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War.

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Also non basic speaking races could work but I know for a fact that a majority of players would get sick of it real fast.
We've already discussed this earlier and that "majority" is a minority. Heaps of players have voiced their opionion stating they wouldn't mind playing a spceies that couldn't speak basic and just featured subtitles, as long as they were available.

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And we all know that a Wookie would be a troll race because people would just walk up and start making wookie sounds.
That's not really a problem. Already players have found ways to troll others with the current available selection of species.
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CelCawdro
08.05.2012 , 12:07 PM | #318
Quote: Originally Posted by Vitas View Post
When selecting them, I made sure that they wouldn't be conflicting already existing canon so you can have another read through. Most of them don't feature their date of discovery so as you can see, it could be any time. Already before SWTOR was released, the Essential Atlas showed the area of space where the Kaleesh and Rattataki lived as not being discovered until much later but here we see them. Most of these things can be due to the Ruusan Reformation which lead to a lot of species, locations and technology becoming forgotten until the time of the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War.
A vague article does not mean that it is open to interpretation. It is far more likely that a species does not appear before a certain time because they were not space-faring and/or not common in the galaxy at all. Rare species, particularly those represented by a single individual, aren't exactly likely options.

As has been stated by BioWare, species selection is and will be based on what is considered "iconic." A throwaway species that appeared once in the background of a comic is not iconic.


Quote: Originally Posted by Vitas View Post
We've already discussed this earlier and that "majority" is a minority. Heaps of players have voiced their opionion stating they wouldn't mind playing a spceies that couldn't speak basic and just featured subtitles, as long as they were available.
That logic is circular. Yes, of course the people that came to this thread looking to play specific non-speaking species aren't going to have a problem with it. This is the very definition of a biased sample. On the other hand, you have the actual majority of players who are already annoyed by any dialogue at all, let alone repetitive alien gibberish. This is an issue.

Likewise, BioWare has already stated on multiple occasions that player characters need to be identifiable - the ability to speak understandably is a prerequisite of this.

Also, of course the majority of which you speak is going to remain as such when you continually dismiss anyone who voices an opinion to the contrary.


Quote: Originally Posted by Vitas View Post
That's not really a problem. Already players have found ways to troll others with the current available selection of species.
You are twisting his meaning. With certain species that are perceived of as "annoying" for whatever reason (be it size, vocalization, or any number of immersion-breaking factors), people that care little for the setting are going to flock to those species simply to annoy others.

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Vitas
08.06.2012 , 02:15 AM | #319
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
A vague article does not mean that it is open to interpretation. It is far more likely that a species does not appear before a certain time because they were not space-faring and/or not common in the galaxy at all. Rare species, particularly those represented by a single individual, aren't exactly likely options.

As has been stated by BioWare, species selection is and will be based on what is considered "iconic." A throwaway species that appeared once in the background of a comic is not iconic.
It doesn't state either that they're not a space-faring species. A lot of authors tend to choose the species they like which is why they may appear more than others.

Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
That logic is circular. Yes, of course the people that came to this thread looking to play specific non-speaking species aren't going to have a problem with it. This is the very definition of a biased sample. On the other hand, you have the actual majority of players who are already annoyed by any dialogue at all, let alone repetitive alien gibberish. This is an issue.

Likewise, BioWare has already stated on multiple occasions that player characters need to be identifiable - the ability to speak understandably is a prerequisite of this.

Also, of course the majority of which you speak is going to remain as such when you continually dismiss anyone who voices an opinion to the contrary.
If it becomes playable, don't pick it. Simple.

Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
You are twisting his meaning. With certain species that are perceived of as "annoying" for whatever reason (be it size, vocalization, or any number of immersion-breaking factors), people that care little for the setting are going to flock to those species simply to annoy others.
/Ignore them.
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CelCawdro
08.06.2012 , 09:16 AM | #320
Quote: Originally Posted by Vitas View Post
It doesn't state either that they're not a space-faring species. A lot of authors tend to choose the species they like which is why they may appear more than others.

If it becomes playable, don't pick it. Simple.

/Ignore them.
In short, my participation in this thread boils down to this - this thread is akin to simply listing the word "everything" on a Christmas present list for Santa. Not only is the request unreasonable in and of itself, it is supremely unhelpful when your pare-- *ahem* Santa is attempting to get you a few presents. It is even more unhelpful when certain guidelines have been laid down for you to help in your selection, and you flippantly disregard and trivialize that input.

"We can get you two Transformers for Christmas, little Johnny. Which would you like?"
"I'D LIKE ANY OF THE TOYS, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH!"
Even if your feedback isn't motivated by unreasonable greed and rather uncompromising acceptance of anything thrown your way, there comes a point at which flooding the developers with that feedback renders it completely unusable.

The entire thread becomes an exercise in futility when you fail to inject a little reason and realism into your expectations, and moreover it ceases to become a source of feedback for the developers when you disregard or dismiss anything they've said on the topic, and when said feedback is so wide and encompassing that you may as well link them a list of all the species in the franchise.

Focus is needed.