DONT force me into pvp. I do NOT like being forced.

if you dont think simple on simple things by seeing through the complexity that comes to being by appending conditions to cases, your head explodes.

the case here is not pvp, pve, this that, duck, schmuck or anything else. the case here is very simple, as illustrated below :

no player should be forced to stuff outside their preferred playstyle, for any reason. that's the point.

please refer to the last sentence of the earlier block quote.

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Swtor does a very good job of not forcing players to things outside their playstyle so far. you can even have a level 1 crafter and craft and sell anything. pvpers can level through warzones and so on.

therefore, this situation pokes the eye even more, as if something that was shoved in secretly. hence the point of the thread.

and read threads before posting in them. for i have told FOUR times that, i have tried those caves, and they were red-gated to me. here is fifth :

i have attempted 2 caves. they were red gated to me.

if there is a third, fourth cave, i would like to get coordinates to them. they werent on that thread, OR the map they provided there in that thread.

The only point I'm not clear on out of all of this is what, exactly, you were forced to do here.

I read your opening post. I make a very pointed habit of reading, with my full attention, whatever I'm responding to.

As stated, I quite entirely sympathize with the basic premise of what you're trying to say, but at what point; and I'm asking this for clarification, not to be snide; were you forced to PVP?

What exactly are you being forced to do that is apparently grinding your gears? I have to ask this because, in the OP, and as far as I could fish out of posts following, you got flagged for PVP but didn't actually have to PVP with anybody.

I didn't read every post following the OP. I did see a fair bit of ranting about being pointed at a FFA zone by the admittedly lazy and sometimes frustrating quest direction objects, but that was correctly addressed by several others.

Quite a few of the quest markers point you in stupid directions to go because it doesn't, at this time, have any smart guidance tweaked into it. So you will, especially on Hoth, quite possibly get directed right into the opposing faction's camp when going to the shipyard area depending on which side of the map you're on, top or bottom.

Happens in several other places on a few other world maps too, but until they smarten that system up a bit with some context sensitivity, there's...literally nothing to do for or about it except outsmart the dumb system.

Same goes for finding the actual routes through places, and accepting that sometimes, stupid bugs are stupid.

I don't really know what else there is to tell you about any of it. Furthermore, I'm not entirely sure, and would; again, not being snide to make absolutely sure my intention is not left to interpretation; like to better understand exactly what it is you feel forced on.

I've gotten good at evading the worst of feeling forced on a lot of things in these games; I might be able to help you with that. If nothing else, I'm interested in the expansion of what you have to say on it.

Not to troll you or bash you. I simply wish to know.

Then you found the wrong cave. The right cave isn't instanced, it's part of the open world. You can ride a speeder through it, actually.

It's near the sand people enclave, there's a tall strip of land and it's semi-hidden in a cranny connected to that strip.

I agree with the spirit of the original poster. If you are on a non-pvp server, you should NEVER be auto-flagged for pvp. It should always be a manual toggle that you choose to enable, or not enable, as you desire.

If its off, you can't hit any other players and no other players can hit you. If it is on, then it should be raised by choice. I really dislike how if I get someone flagged for pvp in my group, and I use a group buff, that it auto-flags me. I would prefer that the flagged player can not interact with unflagged players, and vice versa.

going through a ffa pvp zone, forces you to toggle pvp flag on without your consent. you are fair game for anyone wanting to attack you, even outside the ffa pvp zone, and even if they do not have their pvp flag on, until you get back to a safe place and wait for 5 minutes to lose the pvp flag.

do i really need to explain how is this forcing another playstyle on someone who doesnt prefer it ?

of course, totally leaving the possibility of some good grief pvping by waiting in that ffa zones in which people are forced to pass.

refraining from the mistake of forcing another playstyle on other groups to make up for the lack in numbers or participation in a particular playstyle, was a mistake blizzard has made.

i dont want it repeated here. therefore, as a paying customer, i have expressed my irritation about the situation, and stated my desire.

then please find me the location of that cave in coordinates so that we can post it in the relevant thread for players encountering this in future.

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in another respect, making a cave difficult to find is also akin to 'encouraging' people to pass through the ffa zone.

this ..

there are already griefers exploiting that. even in non pvp servers. it is something that was long abused in wow, and it is replicated here because the entire mechanic is replicated here.

how is that exploitable? Also, the game does not currently work like that, so how can someone exploit a process that is not currently implemented?