Guard Needs Fixing Now, or Why We Have So Many Burst Damage Whines

But it is not on 100% of the time. That is only applicable under perfect circumstances and/or you face a very nub team.

I'll give you a real example. As a vanguard I came upon a juggernaut and healer on a node. I see two stealth teammates approaching the healer, but the two are focused on me. I begin my initial burst dmg on the tank then pulled the tank over to me. He's far from Guard range and the stealthies pop and start pounding on the healer. At this time, the tank doesn't realize the healer is getting rap-ed, so he's actually fighting me for a little bit. By the time the tank realizes healer is in danger, healer is at 20% (if not less) and tank is around 60%.

So now the tank runs back and leaps to the healers defense and does a taunt. This delays the healer's death but not by too much longer as we keep interrupting the healer, and now I'm focusing on the healer, adding to the dps (and I'm not taunted). Now since Guard TRANSFERS the dmg over, by the time the healer died, the tank was down to 30% or so, thanks to all that dmg transfer, making him an easy target.

So in that example, I ask you, what is wrong with guard? Because these are real battles that took place, and I've had many similar fights that included me taking the tank out of guard's range.

Your whole arguements are you've found idiots who don't know how to deal with guard (a damage transferral ability - that lets tanks tank).

GREAT argument there chief.

Winning a 3v2 doesn't make Gaurd not problematic.

This is the problem, Guard is NOT overpowered. It isn't Underpowered. It is simply a factor in the grand scheme of balance. However because its effect is so strong 50% reduced damage, it turns situations where instead of killing 1 player you have to kill two. Let me magnify WHY this is an issue in PvP. Lets say your Operations group can have individual health bars of ~15k each. Or one shared healthbar of ~120k. With Individual bars the person dies when they themselves run out of health. With shared health the full 120k must be depleated at which point the entire group dies at the same time.

Which would you rather have?

In PvP focus fire has always been a strong selling point to communication. Why? The faster you turn a 3v3 into a 3v2 the sooner you have a marked advantage. Guard is an instance where focus fire isn't focused at all anymore.

No other SINGLE ability has so much weight when determining what 'fair' damage and healing values are. Numbers that would be fine are suddenly too low or two high if guard is toggled on or off. In short there is no DPS value that is balanced when guard is present and not present. Thusly damage is going to be either too high for the unguarded or too low against the guarded. Healing is the same way. When Guarded healing through 2 dudes is pretty easy. When alone healing through a single person is stressful. Even though the relative dps is the same healer+tank lasts much longer against 2 dps than Healer vs. 1 dps. Because the health pool given allows for a greater response time.

I Garuntee everyone complaining about Op crits were not guarded. similarly I garuntee every healer complaining pvp healing is pointless was not guarded. Ever single person whining they can't kill a sorc healer was more likely than not hitting a guarded sorc.

Winning a 3v2 doesn't make Gaurd not problematic.

This is the problem, Guard is NOT overpowered. It isn't Underpowered. It is simply a factor in the grand scheme of balance. However because its effect is so strong 50% reduced damage, it turns situations where instead of killing 1 player you have to kill two. Let me magnify WHY this is an issue in PvP. Lets say your Operations group can have individual health bars of ~15k each. Or one shared healthbar of ~120k. With Individual bars the person dies when they themselves run out of health. With shared health the full 120k must be depleated at which point the entire group dies at the same time.

Which would you rather have?

In PvP focus fire has always been a strong selling point to communication. Why? The faster you turn a 3v3 into a 3v2 the sooner you have a marked advantage. Guard is an instance where focus fire isn't focused at all anymore.

No other SINGLE ability has so much weight when determining what 'fair' damage and healing values are. Numbers that would be fine are suddenly too low or two high if guard is toggled on or off. In short there is no DPS value that is balanced when guard is present and not present. Thusly damage is going to be either too high for the unguarded or too low against the guarded. Healing is the same way. When Guarded healing through 2 dudes is pretty easy. When alone healing through a single person is stressful. Even though the relative dps is the same healer+tank lasts much longer against 2 dps than Healer vs. 1 dps. Because the health pool given allows for a greater response time.

I Garuntee everyone complaining about Op crits were not guarded. similarly I garuntee every healer complaining pvp healing is pointless was not guarded. Ever single person whining they can't kill a sorc healer was more likely than not hitting a guarded sorc.

Lol. Balance doesn't happen in a vacuum. Everything effects everything else.

Arguing that guard has no impact on pvp balance is seriously the worst way to argue against guard changes. It's just obviously wrong.

Just to give you a concrete example: the 30% healing debuff was added partway through beta. It was very clearly added because of guarded healers.

You're just kidding yourselves if you think the devs don't consider guard when deciding how much burst dps is needed in pvp.

Winning a 3v2 doesn't make Gaurd not problematic.

This is the problem, Guard is NOT overpowered. It isn't Underpowered. It is simply a factor in the grand scheme of balance. However because its effect is so strong 50% reduced damage, it turns situations where instead of killing 1 player you have to kill two. Let me magnify WHY this is an issue in PvP. Lets say your Operations group can have individual health bars of ~15k each. Or one shared healthbar of ~120k. With Individual bars the person dies when they themselves run out of health. With shared health the full 120k must be depleated at which point the entire group dies at the same time.

Which would you rather have?

In PvP focus fire has always been a strong selling point to communication. Why? The faster you turn a 3v3 into a 3v2 the sooner you have a marked advantage. Guard is an instance where focus fire isn't focused at all anymore.

No other SINGLE ability has so much weight when determining what 'fair' damage and healing values are. Numbers that would be fine are suddenly too low or two high if guard is toggled on or off. In short there is no DPS value that is balanced when guard is present and not present. Thusly damage is going to be either too high for the unguarded or too low against the guarded. Healing is the same way. When Guarded healing through 2 dudes is pretty easy. When alone healing through a single person is stressful. Even though the relative dps is the same healer+tank lasts much longer against 2 dps than Healer vs. 1 dps. Because the health pool given allows for a greater response time.

I Garuntee everyone complaining about Op crits were not guarded. similarly I garuntee every healer complaining pvp healing is pointless was not guarded. Ever single person whining they can't kill a sorc healer was more likely than not hitting a guarded sorc.