Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

Also Blizzard has previous knowledge of MMO development, where SWTOR is Bio-Wares first MMO.

Then why did it take the business away (not entirely, cause EQ1 is still going ) from every MMO? Cause it had problems? Yes, it took from a lot of games, but it took out those annoying little things that drove you crazy, but were also nice nostalgia. (Unrest train to zones... good times good times..)(

Alright

Let's compare:

SWTOR: Voice Acted out beautiful scenes where YOU get more immersion and YOU are the main focus of your own personal story

SWTOR: Choices which effect what npcs you can talk with later on down the line, what light side dark side points you get, what affection gains you get and so on

SWTOR: Companions that fight with you and do the work for you so you can continue to level, explore, do whatever without worrying about how many stims or pieces of armor you have to make.

SWTOR: Crew Skills. This is possibly the best thing that has touched an mmo since forever. Having your own personal crew that you can boss around to do w/e you want. Make you armor, make you stims, go on missions, get you stuff, get you credits, sell all your gray stuff.

SWTOR: More than one planet at launch, and it will continue to grow MASSIVELY

SWTOR: Map is better with everything you need right there...no need for addons for it like questhelper or carbonite

SWTOR: Quick Travel system. This is a GREAT idea! BioWare should be applauded for a lot of things they have put into the mmo genre to improve it. You can unlock a bindpoint then teleport to ANY of them you have unlocked within the cooldown period...amazing feature

SWTOR: Newbie zones are very interesting and instructing and have you doing fun things, not just "go get me 12 tongues of a wolf" what? that's no story.

SWTOR: NO grind..at all. and if there is one...the xp gain is PERFECT It is fun and addictive. Simple as that.

SWTOR: It was made by BioWare. BioWare is known for good games and to listen to the community and get to responses very quickly. If you see in the patch notes for TOR, a lot of things have been addressed and they are making everyone, especially me, continue to be happy. BioWare is golden


That said...at launch SWTOR is just the better game! and even a lot of things now A LOT of things, its just...better than WoW. WoW guys...you can deny this all you want.

But I don't see choices in WoW...

I don't see companions that can help you take down mobs or bosses in WoW....

I don't see points based on what you have just chosen to choose what gear you can get in WoW...

I don't see a quick travel system you can instantly teleport to any of the unlocked areas that you have chosen in WoW...

I don't see more than one world in WoW...

I don't see you being able to expand your inventory with one click in WoW...

I don't see full voice acting which immerses you even MORE in an mmo in WoW...

I don't see a challenge in WoW....

I don't see a crew that you can order or boss around to make you equipment while you are out leveling and having fun in WoW...

I don't see where you can simply click shift right click on some things in WoW and have you mod what you just got in WoW....

I don't see BioWare being the company who made WoW...rather I see a company who is greedy, arrogant, ignorant, dishonorable and doesnt listen to it's player base


SWTOR is just the better game at launch and will CONTINUE to improve upon features, get stronger, get more planets, get more implementations to it, more leveling, the planets will be expanded upon, the guilds will have guild vs guild battlegrounds, guild ships will be fighting on top of planets, space pvp will come.

It's like this....

Right now TOR is the turtle and WoW is the hare. SWTOR is slowly, slowly, trotting along...and it's pace it will go the whole time, keep updating it's content, keep adding new things, keep listening to the players, all while building its community.....while WoW is rushing to try and get new things out to keep players from leaving/quitting/going to other games. they will try desperately to get them back but will not do it.

No matter how fast WoW goes at releasing things, it had already burned the victims of it that used to play it and believe in the game. WoW will keep on trying to rush things out at a high rate..all while..keep in mind...SWTOR will just keep turtling, chugging along...keeping everyone happy for the most part, and doing its thing. While WoW will continue to go very fast...then take breaks...go very fast...then take breaks

In the end

SWTOR will cross the finish line in FRONT of WoW.

The finish line represents who is number one in the mmo world ...in time this will happen.

The point is consistency. BioWare WILL BE consistent with SWTOR and keep chugging along releasing things all the time, fixing lots. Blizzard..is losing all consistency with WoW. They are rushing too much and don't listen to people anymore.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an opinion on this issue that no-one would call biased.

KT was a fun fight, second best in BC after Vashj.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an opinion on this issue that no-one would call biased.

Then why did it take the business away (not entirely, cause EQ1 is still going ) from every MMO? Cause it had problems? Yes, it took from a lot of games, but it took out those annoying little things that drove you crazy, but were also nice nostalgia. (Unrest train to zones... good times good times..)

SWToR is a good game in it's own right, but the thing is it feels a lot like WoW and not quite as epic as WoW was when it first launched. I dunno what it's missing, but there's that element that I can't quite put my finger on that made you go "O.M.G. this is amazing" in both EQ1 and WoW.

And please don't start pointing out DAoC, I never played it...

It's a difference. It's a minor difference.



There were more than a few gaps at release. DAoC still had a lot of quests. WoW didn't have 50x the number of DAoC quests at release. I doubt it had 50x that of EQ.



As another poster pointed out, LDoN predates WoW. Additionally, Plane of Time was instanced. You know how I know you didn't play EQ?



Disagree. Their talent trees increased functionality and abilities were granted largely on talent point spending.



Who said I didn't like it? I really liked WoW. I probably have a whole lot more time logged in than it than you do. It was a great game. That's not the same as innovating.
-Instances - taken from other games
-The original LFG at vanilla- taken from other games, the LFG finder is pretty innovative (I don't like it but I see why others do)
-Arena- I hated arenas, I see why people like them, you know how I know you didn't play Guild Wars?
-Tier'd loot- defintiely taken from other games

Vanilla WoW didn't innovate much in my opinion at all. They brought together everything that was good in other games and didn't bring much of the bad. That's not really innovation in my opinion. It can, and did for WoW, make an fantastic game. I've seen some people say that everyone is getting burned out on the genre. I had played MMOs for about as long before WoW as I have now. Playing WoW was the same awe struck feeling I had when I played EQ for the first time. It's not the genre, it's the games.