Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

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Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

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Jezzikah

01.24.2012 , 05:29 PM \| #401	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by AriasImmortal edit: Here's an even better example from my own personal screenshots, june 07, showing both boss mods and a threat meter. They existed in vanilla as well, trust me. http://i.imgur.com/fBEbP.jpg KT was a fun fight, second best in BC after Vashj.

Aaluria

01.24.2012 , 05:31 PM \| #402	Quote
In EQ 1 there were those people who were very computer savy and used parser's. Hell, 486 computers could run EQ1 so..that said the mmo market was in it's infancy then. Eq was very graphically advanced for it's time. WoW made parsers/addons mainstream <so to speak> I don't remember using parsers with DAOC. Now that was a PVP game and the PVE was alright too! The expansion ruined it for me. NEVER make PVP dependant on PVE it just doesn't seem to work. As for TOR and WoW I can say with all honesty there is room for both and people should have a little patience.
Well, the amount of hate on the forums is really disproportionate to how bad SWTOR is to the point that it seems more likely people are paying $15 to troll the forums

Barathos

01.24.2012 , 05:31 PM \| #403	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Coramac It's a difference. It's a minor difference. There were more than a few gaps at release. DAoC still had a lot of quests. WoW didn't have 50x the number of DAoC quests at release. I doubt it had 50x that of EQ. As another poster pointed out, LDoN predates WoW. Additionally, Plane of Time was instanced. You know how I know you didn't play EQ? Disagree. Their talent trees increased functionality and abilities were granted largely on talent point spending. Who said I didn't like it? I really liked WoW. I probably have a whole lot more time logged in than it than you do. It was a great game. That's not the same as innovating. -Instances - taken from other games -The original LFG at vanilla- taken from other games, the LFG finder is pretty innovative (I don't like it but I see why others do) -Arena- I hated arenas, I see why people like them, you know how I know you didn't play Guild Wars? -Tier'd loot- defintiely taken from other games Vanilla WoW didn't innovate much in my opinion at all. They brought together everything that was good in other games and didn't bring much of the bad. That's not really innovation in my opinion. It can, and did for WoW, make an fantastic game. I've seen some people say that everyone is getting burned out on the genre. I had played MMOs for about as long before WoW as I have now. Playing WoW was the same awe struck feeling I had when I played EQ for the first time. It's not the genre, it's the games. Then why did it take the business away (not entirely, cause EQ1 is still going ) from every MMO? Cause it had problems? Yes, it took from a lot of games, but it took out those annoying little things that drove you crazy, but were also nice nostalgia. (Unrest train to zones... good times good times..) SWToR is a good game in it's own right, but the thing is it feels a lot like WoW and not quite as epic as WoW was when it first launched. I dunno what it's missing, but there's that element that I can't quite put my finger on that made you go "O.M.G. this is amazing" in both EQ1 and WoW. And please don't start pointing out DAoC, I never played it...

Cassiopea

01.24.2012 , 05:33 PM \| #404	Quote
thanks for wasting 2 minutes of my life op. (not that playing a mmo isn�t enough of a waste of lifetime )

Aaluria

01.24.2012 , 05:41 PM \| #405	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Barathos Then why did it take the business away (not entirely, cause EQ1 is still going ) from every MMO? Cause it had problems? Yes, it took from a lot of games, but it took out those annoying little things that drove you crazy, but were also nice nostalgia. (Unrest train to zones... good times good times..) SWToR is a good game in it's own right, but the thing is it feels a lot like WoW and not quite as epic as WoW was when it first launched. I dunno what it's missing, but there's that element that I can't quite put my finger on that made you go "O.M.G. this is amazing" in both EQ1 and WoW. And please don't start pointing out DAoC, I never played it... Too bad you didn't play DAoC, it truly was a great game, it was pve until 20 then you could go out and world pvp. It was a way to introduce people who never pvp'ed before to that type of play style and you know what it worked! I played with so many people who tried pvp for the first time. I love pvp, but I like fair fights, no ganking just pure skill. My exposure to pvp started in Old NWN on AOL, you had time to think of what pvp move you would use when group pvp'ing. I know turn based right, but man it was fun.
Well, the amount of hate on the forums is really disproportionate to how bad SWTOR is to the point that it seems more likely people are paying $15 to troll the forums

Sarfux

01.24.2012 , 05:43 PM \| #406	Quote
Alright Let's compare: SWTOR: Voice Acted out beautiful scenes where YOU get more immersion and YOU are the main focus of your own personal story SWTOR: Choices which effect what npcs you can talk with later on down the line, what light side dark side points you get, what affection gains you get and so on SWTOR: Companions that fight with you and do the work for you so you can continue to level, explore, do whatever without worrying about how many stims or pieces of armor you have to make. SWTOR: Crew Skills. This is possibly the best thing that has touched an mmo since forever. Having your own personal crew that you can boss around to do w/e you want. Make you armor, make you stims, go on missions, get you stuff, get you credits, sell all your gray stuff. SWTOR: More than one planet at launch, and it will continue to grow MASSIVELY SWTOR: Map is better with everything you need right there...no need for addons for it like questhelper or carbonite SWTOR: Quick Travel system. This is a GREAT idea! BioWare should be applauded for a lot of things they have put into the mmo genre to improve it. You can unlock a bindpoint then teleport to ANY of them you have unlocked within the cooldown period...amazing feature SWTOR: Newbie zones are very interesting and instructing and have you doing fun things, not just "go get me 12 tongues of a wolf" what? that's no story. SWTOR: NO grind..at all. and if there is one...the xp gain is PERFECT It is fun and addictive. Simple as that. SWTOR: It was made by BioWare. BioWare is known for good games and to listen to the community and get to responses very quickly. If you see in the patch notes for TOR, a lot of things have been addressed and they are making everyone, especially me, continue to be happy. BioWare is golden That said...at launch SWTOR is just the better game! and even a lot of things now A LOT of things, its just...better than WoW. WoW guys...you can deny this all you want. But I don't see choices in WoW... I don't see companions that can help you take down mobs or bosses in WoW.... I don't see points based on what you have just chosen to choose what gear you can get in WoW... I don't see a quick travel system you can instantly teleport to any of the unlocked areas that you have chosen in WoW... I don't see more than one world in WoW... I don't see you being able to expand your inventory with one click in WoW... I don't see full voice acting which immerses you even MORE in an mmo in WoW... I don't see a challenge in WoW.... I don't see a crew that you can order or boss around to make you equipment while you are out leveling and having fun in WoW... I don't see where you can simply click shift right click on some things in WoW and have you mod what you just got in WoW.... I don't see BioWare being the company who made WoW...rather I see a company who is greedy, arrogant, ignorant, dishonorable and doesnt listen to it's player base SWTOR is just the better game at launch and will CONTINUE to improve upon features, get stronger, get more planets, get more implementations to it, more leveling, the planets will be expanded upon, the guilds will have guild vs guild battlegrounds, guild ships will be fighting on top of planets, space pvp will come. It's like this.... Right now TOR is the turtle and WoW is the hare. SWTOR is slowly, slowly, trotting along...and it's pace it will go the whole time, keep updating it's content, keep adding new things, keep listening to the players, all while building its community.....while WoW is rushing to try and get new things out to keep players from leaving/quitting/going to other games. they will try desperately to get them back but will not do it. No matter how fast WoW goes at releasing things, it had already burned the victims of it that used to play it and believe in the game. WoW will keep on trying to rush things out at a high rate..all while..keep in mind...SWTOR will just keep turtling, chugging along...keeping everyone happy for the most part, and doing its thing. While WoW will continue to go very fast...then take breaks...go very fast...then take breaks In the end SWTOR will cross the finish line in FRONT of WoW. The finish line represents who is number one in the mmo world ...in time this will happen. The point is consistency. BioWare WILL BE consistent with SWTOR and keep chugging along releasing things all the time, fixing lots. Blizzard..is losing all consistency with WoW. They are rushing too much and don't listen to people anymore.
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Scorpid

01.24.2012 , 06:06 PM \| #407	Quote
WoWs launch was full of bugs, SWTORs launch is full of bugs, SWTOR has more bugs then WoW did ok great but lets look at the facts. ToR is a more complex game, with more game factors then WoW. Also Blizzard has previous knowledge of MMO development, where SWTOR is Bio-Wares first MMO. Do I forgive the development team for all the current bugs and issues within the game? Of course I do, I know with out a doubt they will fix everything in time and countine to deliver epic Star Wars content. People need to stop with all the negative comments and leave comments that will be useful for the games advancement.
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dakalro

01.24.2012 , 06:08 PM \| #408	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Norumaniac WoW during tBC was so epic... Best game i ever played. It's quite good now also, it just has this parallel game that's designed for people that do not want to put any kind of effort while gaming. You can ignore that I just use it as a sort of amusement, ending up grouping with a random and seeing how they fail at basic movement while at the same time, with all the extra time he gains by not avoiding any of the dangers, failing to do anywhere near potential damage. Let's not even begin to talk about interrupts. Being off the global cooldown in wow, rift and swtor, it should be used on anything with a cast bar, no using it is the 1st sign you should avoid that player like the plague the next time you see them. It's like nobody bothers, or tries, or remembers they have such a button. It's the most important damage reduction skill in this game, when used properly and 9/10 people avoid using it ... Makes the game so much easier. Even specced as dps you can solo so much more stuff (good especially when you're the only person on that planet while leveling).

PjPablo

01.24.2012 , 06:08 PM \| #409	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux Alright Let's compare: SWTOR: Voice Acted out beautiful scenes where YOU get more immersion and YOU are the main focus of your own personal story SWTOR: Choices which effect what npcs you can talk with later on down the line, what light side dark side points you get, what affection gains you get and so on SWTOR: Companions that fight with you and do the work for you so you can continue to level, explore, do whatever without worrying about how many stims or pieces of armor you have to make. SWTOR: Crew Skills. This is possibly the best thing that has touched an mmo since forever. Having your own personal crew that you can boss around to do w/e you want. Make you armor, make you stims, go on missions, get you stuff, get you credits, sell all your gray stuff. SWTOR: More than one planet at launch, and it will continue to grow MASSIVELY SWTOR: Map is better with everything you need right there...no need for addons for it like questhelper or carbonite SWTOR: Quick Travel system. This is a GREAT idea! BioWare should be applauded for a lot of things they have put into the mmo genre to improve it. You can unlock a bindpoint then teleport to ANY of them you have unlocked within the cooldown period...amazing feature SWTOR: Newbie zones are very interesting and instructing and have you doing fun things, not just "go get me 12 tongues of a wolf" what? that's no story. SWTOR: NO grind..at all. and if there is one...the xp gain is PERFECT It is fun and addictive. Simple as that. SWTOR: It was made by BioWare. BioWare is known for good games and to listen to the community and get to responses very quickly. If you see in the patch notes for TOR, a lot of things have been addressed and they are making everyone, especially me, continue to be happy. BioWare is golden That said...at launch SWTOR is just the better game! and even a lot of things now A LOT of things, its just...better than WoW. WoW guys...you can deny this all you want. But I don't see choices in WoW... I don't see companions that can help you take down mobs or bosses in WoW.... I don't see points based on what you have just chosen to choose what gear you can get in WoW... I don't see a quick travel system you can instantly teleport to any of the unlocked areas that you have chosen in WoW... I don't see more than one world in WoW... I don't see you being able to expand your inventory with one click in WoW... I don't see full voice acting which immerses you even MORE in an mmo in WoW... I don't see a challenge in WoW.... I don't see a crew that you can order or boss around to make you equipment while you are out leveling and having fun in WoW... I don't see where you can simply click shift right click on some things in WoW and have you mod what you just got in WoW.... I don't see BioWare being the company who made WoW...rather I see a company who is greedy, arrogant, ignorant, dishonorable and doesnt listen to it's player base SWTOR is just the better game at launch and will CONTINUE to improve upon features, get stronger, get more planets, get more implementations to it, more leveling, the planets will be expanded upon, the guilds will have guild vs guild battlegrounds, guild ships will be fighting on top of planets, space pvp will come. It's like this.... Right now TOR is the turtle and WoW is the hare. SWTOR is slowly, slowly, trotting along...and it's pace it will go the whole time, keep updating it's content, keep adding new things, keep listening to the players, all while building its community.....while WoW is rushing to try and get new things out to keep players from leaving/quitting/going to other games. they will try desperately to get them back but will not do it. No matter how fast WoW goes at releasing things, it had already burned the victims of it that used to play it and believe in the game. WoW will keep on trying to rush things out at a high rate..all while..keep in mind...SWTOR will just keep turtling, chugging along...keeping everyone happy for the most part, and doing its thing. While WoW will continue to go very fast...then take breaks...go very fast...then take breaks In the end SWTOR will cross the finish line in FRONT of WoW. The finish line represents who is number one in the mmo world ...in time this will happen. The point is consistency. BioWare WILL BE consistent with SWTOR and keep chugging along releasing things all the time, fixing lots. Blizzard..is losing all consistency with WoW. They are rushing too much and don't listen to people anymore. Not bias nor one-sided at all. lol

smartalectwo

01.24.2012 , 06:14 PM \| #410	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo Not bias nor one-sided at all. lol I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an opinion on this issue that no-one would call biased.
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