Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

Fair enough. It was innovating in the fact that it took all the good ideas at the time and had them in release.

How many games have been so addictive and engaging that entire subcultures are created around it? World of Warcraft was by no means the first MMO, but it was the game that perfected the rules and the experience, with a richly detailed, persistent universe for players to explore, and constant expansions ensuring that their characters would continue to grow and change as the game aged. Since the game's best treasures and biggest quests often required dozens of players to band together, WoW encouraged people to communicate both inside and outside the world of Azeroth, making the human element the secret heart of World of Warcraft

ALL mmos need time to get better WoW just happen to be the MMO most forgiven its problems right now people are seeing the truth about WoW now and quitting the game and it is not even burn outs the raid content sucks and pvp is so bad it is almost at the level of vanilla right now blizzard gave clear signs cataclysm is a failure even their lead dev stepped down (ghost crawler)

PC World had an article back in 2009 that named the 20 Most Innovative Games of all time. WOW was #3. Here is the write up:

20 Games That Changed Gaming Forever

#3: World of Warcraft

Platform: PC

Year: 2004

Original review score: 4.5 out of 5 Stars

Blizzard Entertainment created an entire planet inside of a video game, and the result was a revolution. This online game was so game-changing that it instantly legitimized the entire genre of massively multiplayer online (MMO) games and, ultimately, earned a subscriber roster that outnumbers some European countries.

Why It Was Innovative:

How many games have been so addictive and engaging that entire subcultures are created around it? World of Warcraft was by no means the first MMO, but it was the game that perfected the rules and the experience, with a richly detailed, persistent universe for players to explore, and constant expansions ensuring that their characters would continue to grow and change as the game aged. Since the game's best treasures and biggest quests often required dozens of players to band together, WoW encouraged people to communicate both inside and outside the world of Azeroth, making the human element the secret heart of World of Warcraft

did you not see 2 million people quit during cata? in 1 year alone... they are doing a conference call with blizzard soon to talk about how many people did they actually lose and their lead dev stepping down is actually a blessing to the game the guy was a moron and he made the game worst since wotlk.

cataclysm was a failure no matter how you look at it because it lost instead of gaining or maintaining.

And this conflicts with what I said how?

And this conflicts with what I said how?

Didn't say it did.

And if anyone is wondering Doom was #1.

Didn't say it did.

And if anyone is wondering Doom was #1.