Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

This statement proves you weren't around for WoW's release.

You are completely wrong on both counts.

To the OP: why bother? At all? You can't compare their launches when they released in an entirely different gaming climate. When WOW was released, MMORPGs in general had insane learning curves, counter-intuitive interfaces and ridiculous system requirements. WOW came along and was the first really accessible MMO to the common man so yeah of course it remains a milestone.
But holy hell that was...8, 9 years ago? Now the market is flooded with quality MMORPGs (although their forums would have you believe all of them are universally terrible) and Star Wars literally has nothing to do with WOW. I doubt they're even competing for the same audience.

a game selling well despite it flaws doesnt mean it was very good at its time

look at CoD games..... it is the best selling fps to date and yet they get worse on each game

i wouldnt say MW2 or MW3 were successful games they both offered some of the worst MP with balancing issues and lag and hit detection.

the torhead database is a mess.
http://www.torhead.com/missions/leve.../reqlevel/1-10
Look how many duplicates there are with the change being caps or some have a tooltip some don't.

I know but the same goes the wowhead as well. figure the issues cancel each other out.

APIs aren't fully opened up yet. Once they are the database should populate more accurately.

why do people compare TOR to WoW. WoW is NOT the standard for MMO's and sure as hell wasn't the first.


Did anyone play Everquest 1? It had way more problems. and was still an enjoyable game.

old wowhead did that, but the new cache formats solved that issue and they cleaned up the database quite a bit.

= lost on too many.

god i hate this comparisons, its a game that came out in 2004 vs a game in 2011 that's a HUGE difference. Yes MMO launches WILL have bugs at launch, no denying it nor getting around it but its been 7years to learn from those mistakes. I for one am not mad cuz SWTOR is buggy as **** but cuz they left out so much that is common ground in mmo's. Stuff like combat log, customizable UI, guild banks, weather, water physics, AA, a freaken endgame. I mean this is stuff that already exist in other games, and it works, so that should be your base line. Now all they had to do was make it better. Instead they cut corners and spent it all on VO. now they have and a stellar RPG with co-op. Then they have the audacity to want us to get excited about guild banks and AA that are coming in a few months?, woot! amazing!. Seriously BW, miss the 2007 boat there.

TLR version:
Players expectation values are much higher now then 2004 and MMO community as a whole is far less forgiving.

If u go buy a phone today and they give u a brick size cell phone and tell u , "its cool man, no worries in a few months with upgrades you'll catch up to everyone else, just stick with it" you shove that phone so far up... well u get it.