STOP copying WoW and start copying DAoC

E-sports can really only be made in FPS and not an MMO, you dont join an MMO to do 2vs2, 3vs3, 5vs5, 8vs8 and so on, you join an MMO to fight for your realm, your guild, leave the Esports to the multiplayer games out there dont destroy MMOs with that crap.

You mean mmo's should be zerg fests where individual skill is irrelevant and all it matter is sheer numbers, gear difference, and who has the most ranged /aoe classes ? Is "that" the definition of skill?

Naga please.


Also wow would do so much better as an e-sport if it was focused around arena and not pve balancing. And ppl saying its not about 1v1/2v2/3v3/4v4 . The more balanced classes are in small scale pvp the more they will be in large scale pvp.

DAoC is imagined to be an outdated model by most modern day MMO devs, including the remnants of Mythic themselves. The truth is, building a DAoC system successfully requires more talent and planning to pull off correctly and most devs just don't have the chops anymore. DAoC was a flash in the pan that somehow came out right. The Mythic devs have already shown they are incapable of reproducing that success with WAR so I doubt they have either the desire or ability to pull it off here. I'll be very impressed if GW2 manages to come close to DAoC's RvR system, but it's your best bet today. This game is going to be small group instanced PvP just like early WoW for the foreseeable future due to engine limitations.

Tiered battlegrounds with a goal besides "winning", open RVR with a purpose isn't better than just 3-4 warzones filled with rage quitters and afk'ers?

WaR had some interesting ideas about balance.



...and then ya roll a WP or a DoK.

You're wrong. There is no rule that it can't be an e-sport, no one has just done it successfully. Not every MMO has to be the same gear grind at end game, it's time companies start messing with the mold again.

I play MMOs to have a character and play PVP, you may choose to do something else but that's what I enjoy doing.

GW2 is going to satisfy me in that way, more companies should be trying to bring in the e-sports crowd and separate pve from pvp so it doesn't effect eachother.

There was alot more skill involved in DAoC than in any game i have played and i can tell you that the good players were alot more wellknown by thier community than they were in any other game ive played.. Roll a warrior in WoW and its an Iwin first price in Arena... ohh really the skill you have is amazing.... theres nothing in WoW that takes skill, arena is certain fotm classes against each other.

DAOC was zerg or be zerged, pointless "pvp"

The only people that consider WoW arena to be fotm classes are the ones stuck in the 1500 bracket blaming their class choice for their failure.

Warriors are one of the weakest classes right now in WoW arena, there is no class in the entire game that is overpowered to the point its an iwin or whatever you're claiming.

WoW arena is very balanced, pve is the problem.


It's just annoying to hear bad players that failed in WoW claim it's run by FOTM comps etc, of course there is good comps, that's how you design pvp to have classes that synergize well with eachother.

I can guarantee you GW2 will have the same 5v5 comps and people that are bad and can't beat good teams, will just blame it on being FOTM and unbalance.

WoW arena has some classes in a better position than others, HOWEVER, unless you were competing for RANK 1, it was not your concern. Just look @ the class numbers how many of that class that set foot in arena are and how many got gladiator. Playing the more advantageous class certainly did not entitle you to anything, ... maybe 200 more rating on average than you would have had playing less favored class in that season.

DAoC is horrible regarding competitive play.

lol!!