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How Important Are Key Bindings vs Point & Click?

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How Important Are Key Bindings vs Point & Click?

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Mahulena
12.16.2011 , 06:10 AM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by MichaelSean View Post
Old dog here trying to learn a new trick.

For as long as I've been playing MMOs, I've been a point and clicker with regards to my primary powers. However, I've seen a few things online that have lead me to the conclusion that, while this works fine for PVE, for PVP play it's less than optimal. And I'm trying to up my game.

Since I just started playing TOR today, I thought what better time to try and relearn the way I've traditionally played? Only trouble is I'm having a hell of a time with it. I understand the theory that, the fewer the mouse clicks, and the more one does with their keyboard, the more mobility one has. And in PVP mobility = survivability.

That said, I find that when I try to use the 1-8 keys for my main powers, rather than my traditional point and click method, I'm more rooted than ever because I keep having to move my left hand all over the place. With my point and click method, my left hand is freed up to keep me more in constant motion. So it's having the opposite effect of what I intended.

I'm sure part of it is that I need more practice but, I'm curious, are hot keys THE definitive way to PVP or is point and click with the mouse viable? Thanks.
When I moved away from clicking I began with Z,X,C for most frequent abilities.

Then I added alt + Z,X,C and ctrl +Z,X,C and utilized middle mouse (plus modifiers). For effective use of Alt and Ctrl modifier I have ripped out the Window key between them (recommended).

Later I also found a use for F1-F8 keys for cooldowns and utility abilities. They sit there in groups of four and are easily distinguishable.

I never used numbers 1-0. I find their position very uncomfortable and very hard for peripheral view.

And once I learned all that I bought a Razer Naga mouse. It took me about a week to re-learn, but it gave me much better options.

I hope that helps.

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Cosian
12.16.2011 , 06:25 AM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by MichaelSean View Post
Old dog here trying to learn a new trick.

For as long as I've been playing MMOs, I've been a point and clicker with regards to my primary powers. However, I've seen a few things online that have lead me to the conclusion that, while this works fine for PVE, for PVP play it's less than optimal. And I'm trying to up my game.

Since I just started playing TOR today, I thought what better time to try and relearn the way I've traditionally played? Only trouble is I'm having a hell of a time with it. I understand the theory that, the fewer the mouse clicks, and the more one does with their keyboard, the more mobility one has. And in PVP mobility = survivability.

That said, I find that when I try to use the 1-8 keys for my main powers, rather than my traditional point and click method, I'm more rooted than ever because I keep having to move my left hand all over the place. With my point and click method, my left hand is freed up to keep me more in constant motion. So it's having the opposite effect of what I intended.

I'm sure part of it is that I need more practice but, I'm curious, are hot keys THE definitive way to PVP or is point and click with the mouse viable? Thanks.
As one old dog to another .... I would say they are critical. Clicking abilities on a hot bar while moving and targeting is much slower.

Consider looking at a programmable gaming keypad. I made the switch about 6 years ago and have never looked back.

The concept of the gaming keypad is you never have to move your hand. Initially it will be frustrating and your performance will go down for awhile, but once you get used to it, there is no better way.

I use the Razer Nostromo ... But the Logitech G13 is popular as well.

Again, it takes some getting used to, but its well worth it .... and us old dogs need every advantage we can get!

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Cosian
12.16.2011 , 06:34 AM | #103
The absolute best scenario is to use a gamepad like the Nostromo in combination with a gaming mouse like the Razer Naga or the Logitech G700. This give you yet more accessible buttons without every moving your hands.

As far as gaming mice go .... I was a big Razer Naga fan, but have moved away from that to the G700. My Naga developed button click problems after 11 months of use and judging by other reviews and comments on the net, many others have experienced the quality problem.

But beyond the quality issues with the Naga, even though it has 17 programmable buttons versus the G700's 13 Buttons, the position and accessibility of the buttons on the G700 are MUCH better. The reality was that I was not really using all the buttons on my Naga because a number of them are just plain hard to access.

A common strategy for a gamepad gaming mouse combo is to setup the modifier keys like Shift-Ctrl-Alt on the most comfortable buttons for you to access on your mouse. Then setup your gamepad to include the numbers 0-9,-,=. If you then bind the quickbar slots you essentially can have access to 4 full quickbars without ever moving your hands.

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Ghingis
12.16.2011 , 06:44 AM | #104
It is usually alot easier and quicker with keybinds since you dont have to take the time moving your mouse across the screen.

The only REAL thing tho that will screw you over is the movement issues you have by clicking.
If people know you are clicking instead of keybinding, they can just keep running around you, and you will have an extremely difficult time handling this, compared to using binds.

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Kushai
12.16.2011 , 08:21 AM | #105
I've read all the pros and cons, and I have also tried keybinds vs point and click, and have the same problem. I am less mobile and feel more like I am randomly hitting keys hoping they do what I want while I sit stock still in the mean time.

I use the mouse to turn and pan and a gamepad for forward movement. I hate the WASD keyboard layout, but the gamepad works fine for me.

My question is, how does one remember all the bindings? Do you have to keep a legend on your desk for awhile until you memorize them?

Between forgetting where I put skills and simply not being very fast in reaction time between "oh I need X skill" and pressing X skill, my keybinding attempts have always been quite a bit slower for me than point and click. At least that way I can see the skill and hit it, and I do very well.

Thanks
Shai

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Ghingis
12.16.2011 , 08:43 AM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Kushai View Post
I've read all the pros and cons, and I have also tried keybinds vs point and click, and have the same problem. I am less mobile and feel more like I am randomly hitting keys hoping they do what I want while I sit stock still in the mean time.

I use the mouse to turn and pan and a gamepad for forward movement. I hate the WASD keyboard layout, but the gamepad works fine for me.

My question is, how does one remember all the bindings? Do you have to keep a legend on your desk for awhile until you memorize them?

Between forgetting where I put skills and simply not being very fast in reaction time between "oh I need X skill" and pressing X skill, my keybinding attempts have always been quite a bit slower for me than point and click. At least that way I can see the skill and hit it, and I do very well.

Thanks
Shai
It is all about practice and just keep using the same binds til you learn them by heart.
When I played WoW I had about 55 keybinds that I used pretty much all the time. Includes macros etc aswell.

Even if i logged in a completely new warlock i could bind exactly the same binds because i knew exactly where they were.

Practice =)

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MichaelSean
12.16.2011 , 10:47 AM | #107
Well, I spent last night leveling up from 6 all the way to ... 6.

Three hours of changing control schemes, desperately trying to find one that worked for me. In the end, I've just been point and clicking for so long that activating my attack powers with hot keys is awkward and unnatural. I can't seem to make it work.

But using thumb buttons on a mouse ... THAT seems to work for me. Maybe because it just feels right to me to be activating my powers with my right hand. So I'm going to take the advice of a couple of posters in this thread and hit Best Buy in search of that gaming mouse with the 12 thumb buttons. That seems more my speed.

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Tanith
12.16.2011 , 03:07 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by MichaelSean View Post
Well, I spent last night leveling up from 6 all the way to ... 6.

Three hours of changing control schemes, desperately trying to find one that worked for me. In the end, I've just been point and clicking for so long that activating my attack powers with hot keys is awkward and unnatural. I can't seem to make it work.

But using thumb buttons on a mouse ... THAT seems to work for me. Maybe because it just feels right to me to be activating my powers with my right hand. So I'm going to take the advice of a couple of posters in this thread and hit Best Buy in search of that gaming mouse with the 12 thumb buttons. That seems more my speed.
I'm in the same boat man.. I'm trying to change my ways with the help of the Naga mouse. I don't really like the movement of the mouse yet, missing my G9, but the 12 side buttons are great (thought the thumb buttons, for me anyway, seem almost useless given their position).

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Kesrik
12.16.2011 , 03:16 PM | #109
The problem with using a mouse like that is you eventually become dependent it. If for some reason you Razer stops making them, it will be extremely difficult to get used to a normal mouse. On the other hand, a mouse with 2 side buttons and a mouse wheel is ubiquitous, so there is almost know way you'll ever lose access to one. You'll have plenty of keybinds available with just a normal mouse like this.
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MichaelSean
12.16.2011 , 04:21 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by Kesrik View Post
The problem with using a mouse like that is you eventually become dependent it. If for some reason you Razer stops making them, it will be extremely difficult to get used to a normal mouse. On the other hand, a mouse with 2 side buttons and a mouse wheel is ubiquitous, so there is almost know way you'll ever lose access to one. You'll have plenty of keybinds available with just a normal mouse like this.
Good point.

I'll buy 2 and take good care of them.