BW isn't getting the praise they deserve.

The problem is some of these bugs are issues with the framework itself (i.e. ability delay), it's game-breaking to many players and it's recently come out that Bioware was warned about this issue with HeroEngine early on in development yet they chose to ignore the warning and continue building the entire game around this unreliable and asynchronous code.


Unless Bioware rewrites much of the game they aren't gonna be able to fix this. It was a stupid move to write code on a known faulty foundation but they did it anyway. It's such a novice mistake that makes you wonder what other stupid mistakes they've made (and given the sheer number of bugs in production it seems like far too many from my perspective).

I subbed for another month, and probably will keep giving them my money as long as i enjoy the game. Having said that, i personally dont think they deserve any praise, there is just too many little bugs and little annoyances, that together add up to make the game not as enjoyable as it should.

Like i said they will keep getting my 15 bucks, mostly because i have faith in them, but they deserve no praise.

Pretty much the troof. Had this conversation in guild many times.

Do you have any idea how bad WoW was when it was first released? It took years for Blizzard to make WoW what it is today. No game is going to be perfect right off the bat. BioWare is used to single player games, so it may take time for them to get the hang of improving SWTOR. I still trust them completely, so I know they will get the game up to par with WoW soon enough. (In my opinion, I already like it better!)

that's a pretty POS system for a CG artist to use

I can't wait for 1.2. I have a feeling that patch is just going to be massive from a bugfix/feature point of view, not to mention the extra content.

They aren't competing with release WoW for peoples money. They're competing with WoW RIGHT NOW for peoples money.

The idea of "Keep giving them money, it'll get better eventually" is a stupid one.

WoW was better than EQ/UO/AC at the time. In almost every way(EXCEPT endgame).

So take the endgame comparisons away, and can you say the same about SWTOR vs Current MMO's?

Lets pretend go one step further and pretend WoW doesnt even exist....that comparison just STILL looks awful.

It's the mentality SE was trying to pull with XIV. They on the other hand decided that their game was in such bad shape that they gave away something around 14 months for free. TOR is no where near as bad as XIV though, nor am I claiming it is. But TOR is defiantly not up to snuff with 2012. BW should have just written their own engine.

You are 100% right, WoW didnt come out being everything it is today. The thing is, im not playing WoW, im playing swtor, i really dont give a **** about WoW.

The reason why i whine, when i do on the forums, is because i like this game, hell i cant go back to questing with little textboxes full of unimporant crap.

I understand people will always compare this game to WoW its inevitable, and people always say, "WoW didnt have all the stuff at lauch, it has now, bla bla", but imo, swtor isnt competing with WoW 2003, its competing with WoW 2011, and the general gamer will not cut them any slack.