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BW isn't getting the praise they deserve.

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BW isn't getting the praise they deserve.

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Amdarius
01.24.2012 , 02:57 PM | #251
Disagree with OP. They've gotten plenty of praise.

Frankly, this game is a very good single player game with coop play.

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Gleneagle
01.24.2012 , 03:00 PM | #252
Quote: Originally Posted by gregordunbar View Post
Right...leave out the low level people that are angry, the mid-level people that are angry, the people angry over the lack of MMO aspects meant to bring a community together, the people angry over bugs, those angry over continual crashing, those angry over lack of open world content, those that hate space combat, those that think the game is too easy, lacking in ______, bad UI, no mods, RPers pissed over being left out, those angry over lack of customer support, no real communication from Bioware, the forum trolls and even apparently people who have no reaon to complain other than to complain about people with actual complaints...and yeah...its just that one small group you mentioned.
I haven't heard many low level or midlevel people complaining. Cite?
The great oak is just one little nut who stood his ground.

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PoanJorHass
01.24.2012 , 08:17 PM | #253
this game deserves a tremendous amount of praise. but bioware cannot use praise to make their game better. they need to know the flaws.

if you keep sucking up to bioware for everything they do well we will not have enough time to play or point out what is wrong.

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WFSWTOR
01.24.2012 , 08:21 PM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by Taurusaud View Post
You can't put out a game to compete with WoW and have it be inferior to WoW in nearly every facet save story. I mean it's just common sense.
Yes because we all desire to be pandas so we can become legends of ausomeness. Game informer described WoW in an article as a bunch of 36 year old men who like to accesorize. I found that pretty funny.

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Gleneagle
01.25.2012 , 06:36 AM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by PoanJorHass View Post
this game deserves a tremendous amount of praise. but bioware cannot use praise to make their game better. they need to know the flaws.

if you keep sucking up to bioware for everything they do well we will not have enough time to play or point out what is wrong.
We aren't sucking up to Bioware, we are attempting to provide a little balance to the negative representations of the game.

Posting unbalanced, unalloyed, and often unfair criticism here in public view presents to anyone downloading the patched version of the game negative views of the product that could bias new players' views when they get in the game. Example: Many of the negative posts assert that the game is just a reskinned WoW, when the fact is that they merely play it as if it were WoW, and then turn around and complain that it doesn't measure up to WoW when played as if it were. The fact is if you let go of your habitual WoW playstyle and play it as SWTOR it plays quite well, and is far superior to WoW.

It is their inability to adapt to a new game that is the primary source of their discontent, yet they persist in infecting new players with their view that it should be played as if it were something it isn't. It isn't a combat simulation, it is more like literature. It has the basic mechanics of all MMOs but is something more than that.

It has an aesthetic apparently lost on minmaxers only interested in what they conceive as winning, and functional illiterates who cannot begin to appreciate it, yet their views are represented as if theirs were the only ones that should matter.

I say No! There is more of value here than you people appear willing to admit.

If reviewers visit trying to get a sample of how players are receiving the game they would see only horribly unbalanced perceptions. If you are really only concerned with letting Bioware know what is wrong why would you post it here where all can see? Why wouldnt you instead simply keep it between you and Bioware in emails to support@swtor.com?

Someone needs to be advising those sampling our views here that many of us players are very much enjoying the game, because we are very much enjoying the game.

Given all the WoW fanbois posts and clearly antagonistic trolls by those who perhaps are primarily here to try and herd people back to Warcraft and back to the dying guilds there, one would think that the points you guys are making have been adequately made already. There is nothing new for you to whine about. Your points appear to all have been made.

Maybe it isn't so much about providing a critical service to Bioware as you pretend, and more about just being yet another vicious piranha cynically ripping into the flesh of this newly born game.

Yes they need feedback, but feedback is not all negative. If deserved, and I and others feel it is, feedback can also be positive. They need to know what presents problems to some players, but they also should have assurance by many others that their efforts and their product are more than appreciated by the player community, probably by most of those too busy playing to post on the forums.
The great oak is just one little nut who stood his ground.

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RadehX
01.25.2012 , 06:47 AM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by Taurusaud View Post
You can't put out a game to compete with WoW and have it be inferior to WoW in nearly every facet save story. I mean it's just common sense.
Having played both, I faaaaaaaaar prefer SWTOR over WOW. Yes, there's a few bugs, and more content will eventually have to follow...but WOW was definitley WORSE when it started out. Given that the devs are listening to players, and given that MMOs always take a few months to "settle in", saying WOW is better is ludacris.

What I think is interesting is that hordes of 13 year old WOW players come here to bash the game based on totally overblown reasons. They're probably just sad to see a lot of their guildies leave and wanna express their nerd rage.

In short: Thanks BW, enjoying the game so far

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Rinkitink
01.25.2012 , 06:48 AM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by XJones View Post
*snip*
I like how just because we disagree with you, it makes us a troll/complainer. Maybe you're just an overly optimistic fan boy.

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Rinkitink
01.25.2012 , 06:50 AM | #258
Quote: Originally Posted by RadehX View Post
Having played both, I faaaaaaaaar prefer SWTOR over WOW. Yes, there's a few bugs, and more content will eventually have to follow...but WOW was definitley WORSE when it started out. Given that the devs are listening to players, and given that MMOs always take a few months to "settle in", saying WOW is better is ludacris.

What I think is interesting is that hordes of 13 year old WOW players come here to bash the game based on totally overblown reasons. They're probably just sad to see a lot of their guildies leave and wanna express their nerd rage.

In short: Thanks BW, enjoying the game so far
This isn't 7 years ago. You don't get years to build a subscription base anymore. You have months to make the right impression or the game dies. Comparing it to release WoW is borderline retarded. This isn't 2004. This is 2012. It was released in 2011, that's 7 years of mistakes and wins to have learned from. More than that if you include WoW's predecessors. Welcome to the new era of MMO gaming.

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Rinkitink
01.25.2012 , 06:53 AM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by Gleneagle View Post
We aren't sucking up to Bioware, we are attempting to provide a little balance to the negative representations of the game.

Posting unbalanced, unalloyed, and often unfair criticism here in public view presents to anyone downloading the patched version of the game negative views of the product that could bias new players' views when they get in the game. If reviewers visit trying to get a sample of how players are receiving the game they would see only horribly unbalanced perceptions. If you are really only concerned with letting Bioware know what is wrong why would you post it here where all can see? Why wouldnt you instead simply keep it between you and Bioware in emails to support@swtor.com?

Someone needs to be advising those sampling our views here that many of us players are very much enjoying the game, because we are very much enjoying the game.

Given all the WoW fanbois posts and clearly antagonistic trolls by those who perhaps are primarily here to try and herd people back to Warcraft and back to the dying guilds there, one would think that the points you guys are making have been adequately made already. There is nothing new for you to whine about. Your points appear to all have been made.

Maybe it isn't so much about providing a critical service to Bioware as you pretend, and more about just being yet another vicious piranha cynically ripping into the flesh of this newly born game.

Yes they need feedback, but feedback is not all negative. If deserved, and I and others feel it is, feedback can also be positive. They need to know what presents problems to some players, but they also should have assurance by many others that their efforts and their product are more than appreciated by the player community, probably by most of those too busy playing to post on the forums.
See I lost any respect for your post when you made the leap that people who are complaining have to be WoW fanbois trying to herd people back to WoW, most likely because you read that in someone else's post. I'm NOT enjoying Star Wars and I'm NOT playing WoW. So eat it. I hadn't played anything for a year before Star Wars came out, I sincerely had hoped it'd be the new game for me. Instead, it let me down. That's that.

I've been sticking around for even this long because I'm giving them more time than they deserve to fix the turd they released with incomplete content, broken features and blatantly omitted features. Just watch that 'Future of TOR' video. So many things that should have been there at release. It's clear to anyone who isn't an imbecile that the game was pushed out the door before ready.

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mutharex
01.25.2012 , 07:02 AM | #260
Quote: Originally Posted by Rinkitink View Post
I like how just because we disagree with you, it makes us a troll/complainer. Maybe you're just an overly optimistic fan boy.
No, he is right, people like you do the same in every game forum, starting with wow, you cry and whine to get something you want otherwise you cry louder, stomp your feet and start shouting tha tthis game is a crappy clone of wow, that is the worst game ever and other idiotic hyperboles. Just go check wow forum and you will find teh EXACT types of complains (literally)

maybe because that's where yo ucoem from

it¡'s also true that wow (and rift) are getting emptier and emptier and many guilds are disoolving because people leave for TOR, so it's understanfable that the diehards come over here trying to paint TOR as a dying game though it's the opposite. They did it with Rift, when wow bloggers started a crusade agains anything 'rift'

PS

this isn't an attack to you as I really have no idea what you whine about, it's a general stab at all the whiny trolls and wow fanbois

bye