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BW isn't getting the praise they deserve.

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BW isn't getting the praise they deserve.

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Red_Cruiser
01.24.2012 , 02:07 PM | #241
They deserve praise? For what? A copy cat MMORPG with horrible PvP mashed together with a formulaic approach to BioWare storytelling?

If designing a game was like drawing a picture, BioWare basically drew a point A and a point B on their piece of paper, drew a straight line with a ruler between the two points, and then shipped.

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Blotter
01.24.2012 , 02:10 PM | #242
Quote: Originally Posted by Taurusaud View Post
Don't bother arguing with these people, they just hate the fact that their precious little Star Wars game is going downhill and they will even try comparing it to WoW even though that game had tens of millions of subscribers throughout it's lifetime and anyone not blind knows this game will never come close to half of that.
I think you meant "tens of millions of SUBSCRIPTIONS"...not "subscribers"...and besides, I think it peaked at like 12M subscripTIONS, so "tens of" doesn't even really fit. And how many were farmers? Multiple subs? etc? WoW is going downhill fast. Everyone's heard the reports of WoW being a ghost town in many respects at this point. Your conjecture, speculation, etc., is jsut that...pulled right out of your ayniss. A month isn't enough to go on. Now, go back to the basement and submit your work hours to Blizzard so they can pay you for your posts.
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Drasill
01.24.2012 , 02:17 PM | #243
The game is at 85 on metacritic. That should tell you that the game is good, but not amazing. Instead of trying to innovate they copied WoW and threw in a larger focus on story.
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lokivoid
01.24.2012 , 02:22 PM | #244
Quote: Originally Posted by XJones View Post
First I'd like to say that the forums are overrun with angry end content rushing pvp gankers who don't feel all powerful so they complain until they are.

With that out of the way I'd like to thank BW for all their hard work and dedication to listening to the community and doing a great job at fixing anything that may have been wrong and working on those things that are still wrong.

Bugs were inevitable with any game as MASSIVE and MULTIPLAYER and ONLINE as this one. The devs are listening to our comments, the problems WILL get fixed. I keep seeing people threatening to cancel their subs because they can't win at pvp. Oh boo hoo I guess you shouldn't have rushed through every quest on a single character just so you could try and claim "FIRST!" on an mmo with no way to record that info (achievements). You are doing a valuable service by being the ones 'playtesting' on a massive scale the endgame pvp arenas. Thanks for that, when you are long gone back to playing those other mmos that you complain too I'll make sure to play my pvp quite bug free.

I have yet to experience any game-defeating unplayable bugs in the pve section of the game. I once got stuck on the BH bounty for a Jedi because he didn't spawn on the bridge of the ship. I reloaded and it worked fine. /solved

The graphics are great. I do see quite a few texture seams on scenery, as a cg artist I know how hard it is to hide those sometimes. The game runs perfectly with my GTX280 and 6gb of ram. Nothing too impressive but they do the job.

I've seen alot of evidence from people saying that the devs favor the empire side and I have two things to say about that.

1. As stated before, people WILL choose sith over jedi more often because black is a much better color than brown. Because facial scars that make you look like a bad-as.s is much more appealing to most people than being a prettyboy. It's a GAME people want to be bad since they can't be like that in real life. They're living out a fantasy in the game as they are supposed to.

2. Maybe the devs prefer the empire side because they thought that when the game launched most people would be playing Jedi which would be a huge imbalance. Or maybe it's part of their storyline to make the Sith (Who JUST sacked Coruscant) a more powerful and desirable side and then eventually the Republic would do the same. Nuke DK. (Pearl Harbor hint hint)

The people on the threads are mostly complaining about pvp. I don't see much in the way of "I'm going to cancel my sub if you don't fix the droid on Hammer Station from bugging out so I can't kill him" Usually the complaints about pve are said, and then they wait for the fix. They do something else.

For many people this game doesn't start until lvl 50. That's sad, enjoy your time. Go do open world pvp on Tatooine and Hoth. That doesn't seem to have too many bugs and you get to gank all the little nubs.

Once again, Bioware. You have been great and I expect good things from you. PLEASE don't let me down.

P.S. I do realize that everything I said here won't stop the trolls/complainers. EVER.
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You must be new to MMO's or you are a casual console gamer think any aspect of your post was valid.

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Necrolepsy
01.24.2012 , 02:24 PM | #245
They have made an excellent MMO and it's consumed all my desires to play WoW, I'm never going back to that horrid game.

The pvp in Ilum is epic now, we used strategy heavily in Ilum to flog about 25 imperials with our ragtag crew of 14 republic players. We used a divide and conquer strategy by recapturing the other non-central points and they like lemmings charged to back-cap, we smashed about 5 at a time until we charged the remainder in mid (~15 of them) and won like bosses.

The new bosses in Karagga's palace are FUN, that's the main thing (with the exception of Foreman Crusher aka loot pinata). The bounty hunters quotes crack me up every time. The tower of hanoi on g4-b3 is EPIC, I love being the rDPS put on the clicking duty. Karagga is in a different league altogether, we haven't killed him yet but it's a fun as hell fight.

Don't get me started on Kaon under siege, it's my new favourite FP <3

Hard to contain my excitement, for what I've seen, what I will see and what they will create.
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Rancorzealot
01.24.2012 , 02:28 PM | #246
This game is far from a MASSIVE Multiplayer Online. Show me one Instance where there is a chance for a MASSIVE encounter? Ilum? Republic Fleet? Okay now that we got that out of the way, try to remember grinding and tell me how many people you ran into? Probably around 3-6 people every questing zone, Excluding Voss. Now let's look at Ilum.

They capped off the place with instances that only allow 2 full ops groups? May be wrong there but I am sure it's not even close to 100 cap. Let's turn our attention to past MMOs that qualify for MASSIVE. Planetside back when it released. That's MASSIVE. 100s upon 100s of people fighting along side or against each other in any given area. Was there any lag? Not really unless your computer was outdated. Another great title was Star Wars Galaxies back before NGE. I have NUMEROUS amount of videos of battles over 200-300 people ramming each other with flamethrowers, lightsabers and fighting over bases.

So before you call this game a MMO remember that M is for MASSIVE not for minimum.
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GHeissi
01.24.2012 , 02:32 PM | #247
The only praise they want to have are subscribers and their money.

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BobaFurz
01.24.2012 , 02:39 PM | #248
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game as MASSIVE and MULTIPLAYER and ONLINE as this one
* 8v8 Battlegrounds
* did meet 3-4 enemy players in the world in one month
* instanced world and thats why it looks more empty

How is this massive ?



And did you ever think about that....just a quote.

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Doing any quest content other than the main story quest becasue of PVP warzones, a few space combat dailys and flashpoints casued to quickly out lvl all of the quest content.

However this has another unintended consequnce that really is a negitive effect on the game for.

With SWTOR being very single player oriented to begin with the end result of all of us (friends & Co.) doing only our story quest is that we NEVER quest toogether anymore, and we enjoy doing everthing toogeather in most MMO's.
---> the most interesting quests are the class quests and you cant even group up - these
are more single player oriented. Multiplayer for a big part of the quests ? Not at all.
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Gleneagle
01.24.2012 , 02:54 PM | #249
So... WoW has some 9 million players. Because of the way that game works they are mostly in guilds.

Maybe a million of them tell their guild their going to bail over to SWTOR.

Ten thousand WoW GMs lose too many people to ignore. Half of those come over to see what the fuss is.

2500 of those leave WoW to start anew in SWTOR. 1250 of them are tired of the GM role and just relax with the game, enjoy it, and are pleasently surprised to find they are so caught up in the story that they build an alt or two, and discover those stories are pretty good too.

But maybe 100 of them have personality disorders and cannot abide losing control of their players. So when they play the game they minmax their way to fifty and discover, too late, it isn't WoW after all. They are disappointed, but eager to capitalize on what they see as a weakness, launch into a campaign to trash SWTOR any way they can, on these forums, on metacritic's user reviews, on TORHead... anywhere they can they want to discourage players form bailing from WoW so they don't lose their players and thus their sole source of self-esteem.

So we get to read these worthless diatribes.

Only problem is that Bioware actually reads the stuff we write on the forums and attends to what the buzz is out in the community-at-large. They decide they need to listen closely and guide the future of the game by what they hear... and the loudest voices? Well, most of the folks enjoying the game don't post, they play. The people who post are, by and large, the last people they should be listening to when considering where to take the game.
The great oak is just one little nut who stood his ground.

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gregordunbar
01.24.2012 , 02:56 PM | #250
Quote: Originally Posted by XJones View Post
First I'd like to say that the forums are overrun with angry end content rushing pvp gankers who don't feel all powerful so they complain until they are.
Right...leave out the low level people that are angry, the mid-level people that are angry, the people angry over the lack of MMO aspects meant to bring a community together, the people angry over bugs, those angry over continual crashing, those angry over lack of open world content, those that hate space combat, those that think the game is too easy, lacking in ______, bad UI, no mods, RPers pissed over being left out, those angry over lack of customer support, no real communication from Bioware, the forum trolls and even apparently people who have no reaon to complain other than to complain about people with actual complaints...and yeah...its just that one small group you mentioned.