No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

If you are going to sell it, press Greed. If you are going to keep it, press Need.

If your need is relatively minimal, it is nice to wait to see if anyone also presses Need (and letting them have it). It is up to you what "minimal need" is.

If you press Need, it is generally accepted that the item should not be available later on the GTN.

That's, of course, your right. It's what any person should do: if they wind up in a group whose dynamic or individuals they don't like, they should leave. That's what they have authority to do, and ability to affect. You'll be shortly replaced, of course, but that isn't a concern for you, so it shouldn't be for anyone else.

The problem in all this lies in people attempting to control the actions of others. Do what you can control: put people on ignore if you like, leave the group if you like, those are all things you can do. No one can control the actions of another player, however, which is probably the root cause of most of the ire in threads like this.

Feeling one person deserves it more than another for any reason, when the game states all participants have an equal chance to roll on it is most certainly selfish. Beyond the rules set in game, everything is opinion, and the biggest part of the argument so far is trying to force others into following yours. Majority or not.

If you want to roll Need on it, do so. You don't require anyone else's permission.

If you want to roll Greed on it, do so. You don't require anyone else's approval.

I have always went with the understanding that you need for things that are upgrade statistically for you and greed on things for alts companions appearance or whatever other reasons are around and you pass if you don't want it at all even to sell. Does everyone see how category one is to the effect of this thing makes me immediately better at what I am already doing. and category 2 is I want thing. and as for op and agent jacket I would drop group on spot and flame this individual at the start of every day as a ninja looter on fleet and whatever world I was on so everyone knew this person did this kind of stuff and they never got a group again.

No, you WANT them to change it ASAP. There is no NEED for them to change it to suit YOUR opinions. Now if they DO decide to change it, so be it, they make that choice. But saying they NEED to just proves the point of you wanting to push your opinion on others.

How is roll/pass going to remove drama?

Someone brought this up a page or two back, and it wasn't any more right then. Have you considered the actual impact of this rule?

- A Merc is healing for this FP. A blaster drops with better DPS, but it doesn't affect him then. He can't roll on it.
- An Assassin flips his spec regularly from tanking to DPS, but is running DPS for this mission. He can't roll on the tanking item.
- An item drops that has a level requirement higher than a character currently is - no roll allowed, because they won't be able to use it.
- Something drops off the last boss of the mission, and all bets are off because there's no more benfit to be had.

People really need to stop and take a step back on this. We started with "Only roll for things you can use" which is reasonable, but people thought was too broad. We've added more and more restrictions on what's "alloweable" to roll on, including items that have another class in the NAME of it, and only rolling on something that can help the group through the rest of that specific mission.

I continue to find it incredibly ironic that the people screaming the loudest about courtesy and respect are the ones doing their best to tell everyone else what is and isn't an acceptable benefit to justify a roll. "You're playing wrong" is pretty much the most discourteous, disrespectful thing I can imagine saying to another player. I don't care whether someone uses all their companions, spends 99.9% of their time in open-world solo PvP with their companion, or cares absolutely nothing for stats and only for looks (either theirs or their companion). I respect "Need" to be "Something which will improve their game experience" and I leave that UP TO THEM.

Will some potentially abuse that? Probably. But I'm smart enough to tell when that's happening, I think, and can respect people's playstyles without trying to impose my absolute rules on them.

It's not a strawman because it includes the concept of companions being needed. It's a strawman because it takes that concept to its absolute, utmost extreme and tries to make a point off it.

It's like saying saccharine causes cancer. Yes, it does - if you drink about four cases of diet soda a day, for a decade, yes, it will result in increased cancer. But bringing that into a debate on the merits of diet vs. regular soda is a strawman - it's an extreme position that while technically <ahem> true, doesn't really have any bearing on the discussion.

First off, no one actually Needs it, they just want it. Who's to say that their need/want for the item somehow trumps mine? What if the main reason I was running that FP was because I was hopping to get that bit of gear for my companion?

Wow, huge personal attacks there. Somehow because I don't agree with you, I'm morally inferior to you?

Who's to say that it isn't suited to my class? Just because I don't equip it on my character that doesn't mean it's not going to provide me with a meaningful upgrade. It may provide me more of an upgrade if equipped on my companion then it would for you on your character.

I play a Guardian spec'ed for defense, that means my DPS is on the low end. So something that gives Kira a big boost to DPS can be a huge increase for me, and will suit my class quite well, because it helps cover what is a short comming of my class.

Why are you being so selfish and trying to make me suffer, just because you want the item too? It's not like I took it from you unfairly. We both had a equale chance of winning the item, assuming we both rolled need. We both contributed to defeating what ever it was, that gave us the loot.

How is it I'm being selfish for rolling need on something that will be an improvement to my character, but you aren't?