No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

I keep getting this same refrain of how you will be ostracized and no one will ever group with you. There's a couple of things some of your server community folks need a lesson in. First there are these things called guilds, and this may shock some of you I know, but we have friends from real life. So just because you need PUG, don't group us in that sad scrum of humanity. If I'm bored and people aren't around I may slum it with you and need all I want. But for really getting stuff done I don't need you.
So ignore, go write my name on your dreaded black list, big whoop. I got what I wanted, you need to reform and replace me. You will now have less people to group with and I just move on to PVPing or something until my friends log in. When cross server grouping comes along even better.
If this game needed more than 4 for groups or there really was difficult content that I don't run with my guild you empty threats would matter. Not the case in this game. Good luck with your courtesy campaign. You'll find like minded people and have fun. Me I'll do as I please and have fun. Every one wins, I just get the gear I like and no drama, you get the drama you like. Works for all of us.

Except the game gives equal right to everyone to roll on what drops. They contributed, they get the chance to roll. There are extremes on both sides of the "moral" and/or "social" aspect of it, but the game doesn't see nor care about that. I feel the loot system is fine as it is, but I don't roll need on everything I see. Even if the item is an upgrade for me and say another marauder, most of the time I check their gear to see if they would get a bigger benefit from it, and usually pass or greed if so.

But you know, that's my opinion/view to do that. And I don't force it on anyone. The only absolute is the system gives everyone that contributed to the kill the same chance to roll on what drops.

And the other person not needing for his companion is NOT thinking about himself? Sure he might use it then and benefit the group for the rest of the FP. But how do YOU know his thoughts and why he rolled on it? He may be just as "greedy" for the item, he may not use it then at all, but you know, he used his game given chance to roll on it. I cannot fault EITHER of them for that. I CAN fault people who say "you don't deserve this as much as the other guy" EXCEPT in the case of someone just afking the whole FP and only rolling on items. That type would likely get booted anyways however.

the person you're responding to isn't talking about ninja looters... maybe you should re-read it?

I read it the first time. Blaming the system because it allows people to need on stuff that's not "needed" is just fatuous.

Ok, ok, ok, I got it. Work-all wonder solution, here.

You talk about who wants what, who needs what, you get all the "loot-stuff" talk out of the way before running the flashpoint. Failure to do this means you're failing to plan ahead - not a bad thing, but it could cause problems later on down the line.

If someone sees "bad looting behavior" going on, then they can bring it up to the group. See what the reaction is, and if the group is fine with it or wants to deal with it at that point.

The party leader has a sort of "final say" on what happens. They can boot whoever they want from the group for any reasoning whatsoever. It'd be in their best interest to go with the majority of the party's opinion, but final say goes to them, as they have the power.

If you do something the group does not like, or even the party leader does not like, then do not be surprised if you get removed from the party if you do not change to flow with the group / group leader's intentions. Also, feel free to remove yourself from the group if you do not agree with the group leader - you are the only one in control of this situation.

Take thirty seconds, be a bit more courteous to your fellow teammates, and you can prevent problems in the future. Failure to do these simple things means you're leaving yourself open to something you may not want to have happen to you.

Can we all at least agree to that? Regardless of what "need" or "greed" is defined as by you, run it by the group first? And then after that, should you still go by your definition, do not be surprised if you get "das boot?"

So then the overriding concern is how much the item will contribute to the group for the rest of the run?

So if I'm healing, I shouldn't be allowed to need on a blaster that would be a DPS increase for me, because it's not going to help the group for the rest of the run?

I shouldn't be able to roll on something that I can't use until next level, because it won't immediately help the group?

I can roll on any item that might drop from the last boss in a flashpoint, because at that point helping the group immediately is irrelevant?

[Edit to add: What about someone who changes spec frequently? If an Assassin bounces between DPS and Tanking, should he not be able to roll on a decent tanking item because he's DPS'ing today?]

This particular qualification has more holes in it than most, and that's saying a lot.

if that's what you got from it, then you need to re-read it... because you missed all of the key points.

Well, I'll definitely not because some guy on a forum told me I can't.

If you have to bring your argument to a forum to get approval or community consensus on an issue, you've already lost. Not saying I'm one way or the other on rolling other loot that is at best, a cosmetic roll for the marauder. Just pointing that out. Internet battle ftl.

= not even your guildies will group with you. Aww.

And if that item is better then the one I currently have equipped on my companion, which may very well provide a greater boost to my performance then it does for that other person, I have no right to roll on it?

That answer will of course depend a bit on the situation. Did my companion help in the fight? Do I actually use a companion any longer? If we're talking about lvl 20, then the usefulness of a companion is much higher.