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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Eldren
01.27.2012 , 11:52 AM | #921
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
**There are going to be times where gear is a bigger upgrade to me via my companion then it would be for a character.**

Then you should run flashpoints with your companions and not other players. The player is the one present for the loot drop, not your companion.

And a Companion is not the same as a "wrist slot" item because the wrist slot item helped you contribute more to the FP. The companion didn't do anything at all.
This is where a breakdown is occurring. You don't consider a companion as "part" of a character. Others do. There's nothing you can say that will make them wrong. As long as companions can equip the same kinds of gear as players, they're going to remain a valid upgrade sink if their players say they are.
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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 11:54 AM | #922
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
This is where a breakdown is occurring. You don't consider a companion as "part" of a character. Others do. There's nothing you can say that will make them wrong. As long as companions can equip the same kinds of gear as players, they're going to remain a valid upgrade sink if their players say they are.

The companion didn't contribute to the flash point. so he doesn't deserve loot. If disagreeing with that makes you feel better about stealing loot from people that DID contribute, think what ever you want.

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Creed_Buhallin
01.27.2012 , 11:54 AM | #923
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
**What's the difference in use between a piece of equipment on your character and a piece of equipment on your companion? **

The companion likely wasn't in the FP. Non-participants get equal rights to loot now as well?
Sorry, but this is silly. The Companion is not a separate player, or a separate entity. It is part of your character. This isn't any different than arguing that if I was healing through the FP I shouldn't be allowed to roll on a blaster which would be a DPS upgrade, because my DPS didn't contribute to the flashpoint.

I must pause here and give Bioware credit - a lot of people were concerned about companions. If Bioware has made them so interesting, lifelike, and believable that people seriously think they're a separate entity, they've succeeded admirably.

Of course, this also raises the question of whether or not the companion, if they ARE there, deserves their own loot roll? If they don't get one by virtue of not being present, then if they are they should have their own roll, right?

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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 11:55 AM | #924
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Then you should run flashpoints with your companions and not other players.
I have... So your point is, I can roll need for a companion if I have that companion active?

They helped complete the FP so they get equal rights to loot as everyone else then, right?

One thing that seems to come across here, that effects the argument, is some people seem to only believe loot rules matter at end game in OP's or HM FP's. Others are talking about gear from 1st to end game.

I'm pretty sure you are going to run into loot drama in situations that don't include end game loot.

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Eldren
01.27.2012 , 11:56 AM | #925
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
The companion didn't contribute to the flash point. so he doesn't deserve loot. If disagreeing with that makes you feel better about stealing loot from people that DID contribute, think what ever you want.
You're missing what I'm saying here. You don't get to be the authority on what is or isn't "acceptable" in the game, as much as you might like to be. It doesn't matter if the companion didn't contribute to the Flashpoint. The player did, and the player is the one using the upgrade, whether on themselves or on a companion. What a player does with loot they win is no one's business but theirs. Loot is not open to community approval for its disbursement, it's open to approval of the loot disbursement system. Anything else is a social courtesy, but not a social requirement.
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Edryk
01.27.2012 , 11:57 AM | #926
Quote: Originally Posted by Creed_Buhallin View Post
Sorry, but this is silly. The Companion is not a separate player, or a separate entity. It is part of your character. This isn't any different than arguing that if I was healing through the FP I shouldn't be allowed to roll on a blaster which would be a DPS upgrade.

I must pause here and give Bioware credit - a lot of people were concerned about companions. If Bioware has made them so interesting, lifelike, and believable that people seriously think they're a separate entity, they've succeeded admirably.

Of course, this also raises the question of whether or not the companion, if they ARE there, deserves their own loot roll? If they don't get one by virtue of not being present, then if they are they should have their own roll, right?
Cool, have your companion tank for you. I will tag along on autofollow and just roll on gear. Wait, I can't do that in a full group? But my friend who I duo with is dpsing and me getting upgrades directly affects his gameplay. So I should get two rolls, right?

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chton
01.27.2012 , 11:58 AM | #927
Quote: Originally Posted by Mazikeen View Post
This entire issue boils down to two things: priorities and courtesy

1. Priorities - Companions are used for PvE (usually solo) and, on PvP servers, open PvP. They are never used in warzones, rarely used in dungeons and never used in raids. In short, companions are used for only about half the content in the game. This automatically makes players a priority over companions

2. Courtesy - something most kids lack and many adults now dismiss, but it does still exist. Selfishness is never attractive. Rolling for an orange item with stats you will not use is no different than rolling for an epic with stats you will not use. You can obtain moddable gear via the GTN, planetary vendors, crafting, drops and PvP. In many cases you can solo lower-level dungeons for moddable items if you like the look.

Those rolling need over a player of the appropriate class that genuinely needs (aka it's an upgrade for) that item is selfish and should not be tolerated in a group, period. Their guildmaster should also be notified and, if no action is taken, the guild should be blacklisted as well
Excuse me, seems like the person who "needs" the upgrade can also obtain said item from these sources you list. Oh I forgot, apparently logic and "courtesy" are mutually exclusive. People who tell some one what they can or can't roll need on are being selfish and their guild leaders should be contacted and if nothing is done black listed.

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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 11:59 AM | #928
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
Anything else is a social courtesy, but not a social requirement.


I agree with this 100%. It is a social courtesy. Whether you choose to show courtesy to others is your own choice. Apparently, this concept isn't as important to some as others, as this thread makes that fact glaringly obvious. Either way, arguing decency is pointless when all some people know is "me, me, me", so, I'll stop. Good luck in game.... you're going to need it.

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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 12:01 PM | #929
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
The companion didn't contribute to the flash point.
Maybe he didn't?
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so he doesn't deserve loot.
so? I'm there, and I participated in killing the thing that dropped the loot.

you have entitlement issues if you think you deserve it more than I do...

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If disagreeing with that makes you feel better about stealing loot from people that DID contribute, think what ever you want.
What about those of us who think you're just using a red herring and totally making an argument that isn't relevant, so agreeing or disagreeing doesn't really matter? You don't really cover our case...

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Creed_Buhallin
01.27.2012 , 12:04 PM | #930
Quote: Originally Posted by Edryk View Post
Cool, have your companion tank for you. I will tag along on autofollow and just roll on gear. Wait, I can't do that in a full group? But my friend who I duo with is dpsing and me getting upgrades directly affects his gameplay. So I should get two rolls, right?
Most people recognize the distinction between players - you're going to have a hard time arguing that you are an extension of your friend's character, but I guess as long as he keeps you in a shock collar and punishes you when you speak out of line, I'm certainly not going to tell him what he can and can't make you wear.