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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Tadshackles
01.27.2012 , 11:33 AM | #911
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Expecting to win the loot Bioware created for your class is not entitlement. Thinking that you deserve loot that was not designed for your class "just because I was there too" is entitlement.
The "loot" in this thread was NOT designed for your class. The mods were...

He rolled on the gear, you rolled on the mods. He won. Get over it!
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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 11:34 AM | #912
Quote: Originally Posted by ThiborF View Post
Regardless, doesn't change the fact that you're not going to get a mass consensus on this topic and it's far easier to get 3 or 7 others to agree for the next 15-60 minutes of a group run then it is to repeatedly debate the issue here.
Even if you get a mass consensus, it's not really reasonable to apply that to the 3 or 7 others that may have not been involved in that mass consensus or agree with it...

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sjmc
01.27.2012 , 11:38 AM | #913
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the system lets them do something, they choose to do it, and they aren't objectively "in the wrong" for doing so.
They are wrong in that they are breaking the "Unwritten Rules of WoW". If this were WoW, that would be a problem.

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Creed_Buhallin
01.27.2012 , 11:39 AM | #914
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterMAbraham View Post
The concept of rolling need based on the ability to sell, the ability to remove mods to use, or that a given companion can use it somehow, WHEN a group member can use the item directly (either then and there or in a few levels) to me is outright selfish!!!
This is the main point that people are disagreeing with.

What's the difference in use between a piece of equipment on your character and a piece of equipment on your companion? Extra Endurance gives me more hit points, and makes me survive better. More Cunning on Malavi makes him heal better, and makes me survive better. If it's a lightsaber I'm going to use, or a blaster I'm going to give to Vetter, both result in a DPS increase for my character. Why is one acceptable, but the other selfish?

People are too wrapped up in this idea of "You" and "you". Your companion is part of your character. Would you tell someone they couldn't roll on something because it went in the wrist slot instead of the main hand slot? Because that's really all it is giving it to a companion - putting it in a different slot on your character.

I can understand the arguments that companions don't benefit as much, but IMHO that's a serious can of worms. If you really want to start getting into debates of statistical analysis over who can make best use of an item, feel free - but if you're not going to consider how much of a stat someone has, how big the increase is, how long it might be until they could upgrade it again, etc, etc, etc, then you're not really doing that. You can't really drop "Companion isn't worth it, so you can't roll" unless you're going to consider everything else.

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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 11:46 AM | #915
**What's the difference in use between a piece of equipment on your character and a piece of equipment on your companion? **

The companion likely wasn't in the FP. Non-participants get equal rights to loot now as well?

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owlinspace
01.27.2012 , 11:46 AM | #916
I can't believe there's even a discussion about this. If an Item drops made specifically for a certain class then the player in the party of that class should get the item, IF it is better than his current one. If people are to noobie to understand that some items are for certain classes then they should be educated.

The issue here, it seems, is that people enjoy beeing *****. Jokes on them when they get known for it and no one wants to group with them, or their alts.

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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 11:47 AM | #917
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterMAbraham View Post
The concept of rolling need based on the ability to sell, the ability to remove mods to use, or that a given companion can use it somehow, WHEN a group member can use the item directly (either then and there or in a few levels) to me is outright selfish!!!
There's a flaw in this line of thinking...

There are going to be times where gear is a bigger upgrade to me via my companion then it would be for a character. If I can increase the DPS on Kira by 20%, this is going to have a much larger impact on my play then if a Sage gets a 5% increase in DPS out of the same gear.

So as long as I'm playing with a companion the majority of the time, there is a very strong argument that item that my character doesn't wear, can actually be a fairly meaningful upgrade in terms of game play.

I fail to see how that makes me selfish, I am after all, rolling need on something that improves my character directly. If anything I could argue that the selfish person is the one who gets the least benefit out of it, yet rolls need.

People need to stop looking at loot in the black and white method they used in other games, because this isn't that game. Loot doesn't work the same way here, and trying to force the same rules simply doesn't make sense.

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Edryk
01.27.2012 , 11:48 AM | #918
Quote: Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
They are wrong in that they are breaking the "Unwritten Rules of WoW". If this were WoW, that would be a problem.
This is not an unwritten rule of WoW. I assume you haven't played recently, because nowadays, people roll the highest priority on everything they can - for their friends, to DE, to sell, to trade, and to intentionally grief others.

People arguing on the side of being considerate to others are taking into account other people's desires, feelings and acting accordingly - and appreciate when the same consideration is shown to themselves.

Then you have a couple people here trolling 75+ pages arguing semantics - the difference between a 'need' and a 'want', and 'I can because it let's me'. Seriously people, stop responding to trolls and let it die. Be considerate to others and run your groups how you want. Community is what you make it; don't let it become like that other game.

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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 11:50 AM | #919
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
The companion likely wasn't in the FP.
And if the companion was in the FP? I've run a number of FP's so far and had a companion in them. These were not lvl 50 hard mode FP's granted. But I'm pretty sure that loot drama isn't restricted to only lvl 50 hard mode FP's or ops either.

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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 11:50 AM | #920
**There are going to be times where gear is a bigger upgrade to me via my companion then it would be for a character.**

Then you should run flashpoints with your companions and not other players. The player is the one present for the loot drop, not your companion.

And a Companion is not the same as a "wrist slot" item because the wrist slot item helped you contribute more to the FP. The companion didn't do anything at all.