No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

For the record, I have the OP listed item on my Maruder, It just looks cool. But I was in a group without any other Med. armor wearers and asked before i rolled need.

If you want it for looks, don't be a jerk -- wait for everyone to roll greed, ask of you can need for looks.

I think that if you need for a companion, then you have used up "your turn" and shouldn't need on anything until everyone else has gotten some loot.

Needing for a companion doesn't mean that you should get twice the loot as everyone else.

So, on one hand, it's ok to roll need on an orange item even if it's NOT an upgrade, yet you also say that you should only roll on gear if it's an upgrade.......?

If you roll need on orange items for appearance, you have NO right getting upset about people rolling need on companions at all. Companions will at least help that person progress. Needing for appearance does not help you're progression at all.

If you didn't think that they should be able to loot the way that bioware designed the loot system to work, you should have had a discussion before hand to insure that everyone in the group was ok with your asinine definition of loot whoring.

Ironic, since you're the one using circular logic.

Yes... you are. you're forcing your own personal rules on how loot should be distributed that don't agree with the design of the game.


No, people who are in favor of open loot to everyone who was present at the kill aren't the ones with entitlement issues. It's the ones that think that they somehow deserve the gear more than someone else for some arbitrary reason (say, because they like the stats of it and think they're a good upgrade)

That's entitlement. The stance that that everyone is equally deserving of all loot is the opposite of entitlement. This way of thinking is opposite of centered and inconsiderate to everyone else in the group who is also putting in their time to complete the FP.

"I like how it looks" is not a stat that people should be denying their groupmates progression over. I disagree so strongly with the sentiment that I can't even begin to address individual complaints beneath it.

If you really must have a piece of orange gear, just grow up, take the not-a-huge-jerk option, inform everyone beforehand that you're going to snag gear from people even if it's useless to you (and, again, I can't acknowledge "I want to play dress-up!" to be a legitimate reason to deny someone an upgrade), and ideally, don't build groups where people legitimately need the stuff you want to gank.

Contrarily, your opinion comes across not as "Everyone is equally deserving" because that's moronic and contrary to the way progress works; your opinion is "I am entitled to all of the loot" and it's ... contrary to the way progress works.

you're saying, "I need the opportunity to take everything from this FP and leave everyone behind." The other stance is "Everyone should just take what they can use, that way everyone can come out ahead."

I am so happy i dont pug so many ninjas in the game needing for companion is plain stupid i dont even do it if none wants it, i just greed.

The gear that is droping from FPs is for the players not their companions.
If you wanna gear up your comp run the fp alone and dont expect others to run the fp for your silly comp.

Personally i wish there were no companions in the game.

So many loot whores i feel sorry for you stay with your pathetic companions if you treat others like that you are all sad individuals.

Thats my opinion of course....

I wish i never saw this threat i feel sad and anger with the ninja community.
And about "Bw hasnt told us what is need for etc" its all a pathetic excuse really.

Grow up and dont think only about yourselfs.

Im sorry if anyone felt offended but couldnt hold that inside me...

Yes it is. It's the most important stat to some people

just because you value cunning or willpower or aim, or whatever over looks does not make it the right or the only way to play the game. Insisting that you are doing it right and the people who play for different reasons than you do re doing it wrong is extremely self centered.

Seriously, how can you not see how hypocritical you're being?

You're the guy who just said that thinking that you should be able to roll need on everything that drops isn't an entitlement issue.

It's not hypocritical. Appearance isn't a stat. Your priorities do not mesh with progression priorities. Ergo, it's really on you to put it out in advance that you are going to roll need cross-class beforehand or, hopefully, learn to deal with getting kicked from groups.

I'm not sure how you can move to my claim that everyone is equally deserving of all loot to that... Are you just not reading?

False. Please quote where I've said that.

I'm saying everyone is equally deserving of all of the loot; no one is more entitled to it than anyone else; insisting that you are entitled to it over someone else is extremely self centered.

fixed,

If we must rank "need" between stat upgrades and appearance, then appearance could be considered to be more important for orange gear. I don't think it is worth arguing about whether a particular piece is actually an appearance upgrade.

EDIT: but if the item isn't orange and my companion already has better gear, then I shouldn't be rolling need. I also shouldn't roll need on non-orange gear for my own character if I have better gear already.

I agree. Gear for my companion is often a larger "upgrade" than gear for myself since I rely on her to tank for me.

Different people "need" different things.