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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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ThiborF
01.26.2012 , 05:07 PM | #701
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhothon View Post
Nothing said = standard loot rules.
And we're back to "whose standard" ?

Nothing said = the game's loot rules.

You want to say those who need for companions are against the norms?

Tell me ... how many major MMOs (say 100k+ populations) have existed where your companions play such a major role in your gaming? For every class.

You make it sound like it's been established since time immemorial that "Don't roll need for companions" is the "Loot Standard"

BS

And here's the kicker ... I don't roll need for companions. I honestly don't care when I group up if other people do or not. It really doesn't bother me.
What I hate is the ignorance that people show by simply believing their views are "right", "the standard" or "the majority" when so many counter-views exist. And how it takes only a few seconds to ask a simple question.

You're only half right in your statement. You're saying ask if the individual thinks their idea of fair loot is counter to the norms. I'm saying don't assume any norm exists and ask period regardless if you think you're in the majority, the right or the norm.

I guarantee if everyone did that the number of these threads would drastically diminish. But, I guess the idea of communicating with one another in a MMO is an alien concept to some people.

You're also right that people can just go on assuming without communicating and risk getting labeled. Just as there are those like me who think every single person posting a thread about someone rolling need for a companion in their group and nobody said anything about the loot rules priors got exactly what was coming to them.

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Eldren
01.26.2012 , 05:07 PM | #702
Quote: Originally Posted by Grecanis View Post
The healer meerly needs to reply "I don't heal ninja's" and the 90% out there who are respectful will understand.

Besides, I'd rather have a poor healer in my group than a ninja.
You're missing the point. I could say the same about accused ninjas: all they have to respond is "He's upset he lost a roll", and the 90% out there who are logical will understand.

Except that isn't accurate. See how easy to pull out statistics it is, without having actual data to back them up?

The point is this: the threat of ostracization from someone decrying another in the chat channels isn't nearly the deterrent that some think it is. It's merely the only position they can retreat to when they can't convince someone of their perspective's superiority. It's tantamount to tattling to the teacher in the hopes they'll automatically be told "you're right". They understand most players just won't care, and the few that will aren't likely to negatively impact a given player's ability to enjoy group content.
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Plaite
01.26.2012 , 05:07 PM | #703
Quote: Originally Posted by MrTijger View Post
No, Bioware allowed you all to be grown ups and be respectful, clearly that was a mistake with some people.
Clearly they spent to much time on consoles and became unfamiliar with the internets.

Oh and &%$^ you.

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RagnarokJC
01.26.2012 , 05:09 PM | #704
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
If you want it, go find it. I posted it the last time you asked.
Couldn't find it after doing a search. Post it again, please.
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Setanian
01.26.2012 , 05:09 PM | #705
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
The good thing is though that I don't seem to run into too many people like this in game. I really think this attitude is more of an eThug, forum mentality than anything else. If they actually acted like that in game it would be kick and ignore. Do it enough times and you get a rep. So I think it is pretty much all talk. It's the same couple of posters saying the same things over and over.
Think what you like. I can assure you if it's not class specified and I can use it, I press need. The other participants can press whatever they like and leave it to the dice. That's all we should expect.
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Qeuzolt
01.26.2012 , 05:10 PM | #706
Quote: Originally Posted by Explosive_Lasers View Post
The best we can do is tell them what stats they need, that you actually need the item, and that you'd appreciate it if they gave it to you, and came back in the future to run the instance again for the item.
The problem is all the moddable items are also BoP so you get one shot at it and when someone rolls on it "accidentally" or b/c they are just being loot whores then they get it they can't even say oh sorry here you go
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PjPablo
01.26.2012 , 05:11 PM | #707
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
You're missing the point. I could say the same about accused ninjas: all they have to respond is "He's upset he lost a roll", and the 90% out there who are logical will understand.

Except that isn't accurate. See how easy to pull out statistics it is, without having actual data to back them up?

The point is this: the threat of ostracization from someone decrying another in the chat channels isn't nearly the deterrent that some think it is. It's merely the only position they can retreat to when they can't convince someone of their perspective's superiority. It's tantamount to tattling to the teacher in the hopes they'll automatically be told "you're right". They understand most players just won't care, and the few that will aren't likely to negatively impact a given player's ability to enjoy group content.
That's where 'SS or didn't happen" comes into play. Screen shot in game convo and post for anyone who want to see it. Seen many, many times before in other MMOs. In WOW over the years on my server we have had people had to transfer (or name change, but that is another story) due to the rep they built up. So it can and does have an impact. That is once you have an established community. Jury is still out on how 'community' is going to develop at the server-level here.

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Meiu
01.26.2012 , 05:11 PM | #708
These Kids are used to WoW where you can only click need on stuff you can use. So these Kids keep spamming Need without looking at items because WoW tells them what they should use.

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Caille
01.26.2012 , 05:11 PM | #709
Quote: Originally Posted by ThiborF View Post
And we're back to "whose standard" ?

Nothing said = the game's loot rules.

You want to say those who need for companions are against the norms?

Tell me ... how many major MMOs (say 100k+ populations) have existed where your companions play such a major role in your gaming? For every class.

You make it sound like it's been established since time immemorial that "Don't roll need for companions" is the "Loot Standard"

BS

And here's the kicker ... I don't roll need for companions. I honestly don't care when I group up if other people do or not. It really doesn't bother me.
What I hate is the ignorance that people show by simply believing their views are "right", "the standard" or "the majority" when so many counter-views exist. And how it takes only a few seconds to ask a simple question.

You're only half right in your statement. You're saying ask if the individual thinks their idea of fair loot is counter to the norms. I'm saying don't assume any norm exists and ask period regardless if you think you're in the majority, the right or the norm.

I guarantee if everyone did that the number of these threads would drastically diminish. But, I guess the idea of communicating with one another in a MMO is an alien concept to some people.

You're also right that people can just go on assuming without communicating and risk getting labeled. Just as there are those like me who think every single person posting a thread about someone rolling need for a companion in their group and nobody said anything about the loot rules priors got exactly what was coming to them.

Could not agree more.

Type out the loot rules, communicate, talk on vent, whatever it takes, but by communicating with the group, this can be alleviated 100% of the time, barring misclicks of a genuine nature.

My keyboard has a loot rules macro on it, problem solved for me, as if it never existed.


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Ansultares
01.26.2012 , 05:11 PM | #710
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
And I can stop DPSing that mob on you.
Should have rolled a healer if you want to threaten to take your ball home and expect people to care.

I wouldn't group with someone who consistently rolls need against his groupmates for his companions or his appearance, without first clearing it with them.