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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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sjmc
01.26.2012 , 04:37 PM | #651
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhothon View Post
This game is a MMO and is social. Like it or not, there are social rules in the game. Not hard coded rules, but social rules.
Examples:
A) Loot (Need for self only).
B) Dont loot a container or resources that someone else is killing mobs to get to.
C) Don't talk about spoilers in general chat.
I think most people would agree to all three of these rules. The disagreement seems to be around the definition of "self". Is your companion(s) part of your character?

Apparently according to the social convention from other games (particularly WoW), companions were not considered to be part of your character and were not allowed to get geared from loot?

I cannot succeed in quests without good gear on my companion because I can't heal her faster than she takes damage. Increased Aim on my companion makes her dps go up as well. Endurance is also quite important. However, some people apparently don't find companions to be useful or find it necessary to gear them up.

There are times when I will adventure without my companion, such as when I go on flashpoints where there is a full group of 4. However, I spend most of my adventuring day with my companion, and an upgrade to her is an upgrade to my overall "character".

In any case, I'm generally not going to roll need for companions without prior discussion because there are too many selfish people who are looking for an excuse for loot drama and/or to kick people from their group. Loot just isn't important enough to spend an hour arguing over it.

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Setanian
01.26.2012 , 04:38 PM | #652
Quote: Originally Posted by Murdah View Post

They would understand the true motivation behind not stealing someones upgrade. Face it the reason that you don't steal someone else's upgrade is completely selfish. It is so that you will not have it done yourself when you see an upgrade come your way. Also you know that it will ruin your reputation if you go around stealing other peoples upgrades.
If the items is not a listed class item, can you please explain your use of 'stealing' in that paragraph. Because someone asking me demanding that I forgo my entitlement to roll sounds like stealing to me.
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Souvarr
01.26.2012 , 04:38 PM | #653
I'm going to ask a simple question.

Let say I'm a Jedi Knight tanking (I'm not, i"m a Shadow Jedi that haven't seen a drop in the last two flashpoint and last 10 Heroic, beside the point). In my party is a Trooper.
An orange Assault cannon drop, and the Troop mouth is watering from it. When I look at the mods. I notice the crystal will give me a +5 Endurance and the Enhancement give me a +7 Endurance. Do I have the right to need it, since it a mark increase inspite most of it I don't want or can use?

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RagnarokJC
01.26.2012 , 04:39 PM | #654
It's funny how many people in this forum have talked about rolling Need on anything, while in-game it hardly ever happens.

Again, my challenge to those loudmouths stands: post your character name and server so that we can observe you putting your money where your mouth is. Once we see you get blacklisted and find it all but impossible to get into groups for runs, maybe then you'll learn about the concept of *consequences*.
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RazielHex
01.26.2012 , 04:39 PM | #655
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Who care's about parameters? If I can put it on, it's mine. Who care's about stats? Who are you to tell me my Guardian can't wear light armor?
It's not about the type of armor. People were complaining that the stats decided who it was for. The reality of it is the armor-type defines who it is for.

Hey, if you want to wear light armor as a guardian, more power to you. It means it takes me 66% less time to take you out in Voidstar.

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Setanian
01.26.2012 , 04:39 PM | #656
Quote: Originally Posted by Souvarr View Post
I'm going to ask a simple question.

Let say I'm a Jedi Knight tanking (I'm not, i"m a Shadow Jedi that haven't seen a drop in the last two flashpoint and last 10 Heroic, beside the point). In my party is a Trooper.
An orange Assault cannon drop, and the Troop mouth is watering from it. When I look at the mods. I notice the crystal will give me a +5 Endurance and the Enhancement give me a +7 Endurance. Do I have the right to need it, since it a mark increase inspite most of it I don't want or can use?
If you can use it, you can need it. Anything else is someone attempting to deny your entitlement.
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RazielHex
01.26.2012 , 04:40 PM | #657
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
If you can use it, you can need it. Anything else is someone attempting to deny your entitlement.
He wouldn't be able to need the cannon anyway.

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Setanian
01.26.2012 , 04:40 PM | #658
Quote: Originally Posted by RagnarokJC View Post
It's funny how many people in this forum have talked about rolling Need on anything, while in-game it hardly ever happens.

Again, my challenge to those loudmouths stands: post your character name and server so that we can observe you putting your money where your mouth is. Once we see you get blacklisted and find it all but impossible to get into groups for runs, maybe then you'll learn about the concept of *consequences*.
Already done. Have you anything else you like? My shoe size?
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Eldren
01.26.2012 , 04:40 PM | #659
Quote: Originally Posted by Souvarr View Post
I'm going to ask a simple question.

Let say I'm a Jedi Knight tanking (I'm not, i"m a Shadow Jedi that haven't seen a drop in the last two flashpoint and last 10 Heroic, beside the point). In my party is a Trooper.
An orange Assault cannon drop, and the Troop mouth is watering from it. When I look at the mods. I notice the crystal will give me a +5 Endurance and the Enhancement give me a +7 Endurance. Do I have the right to need it, since it a mark increase inspite most of it I don't want or can use?
You have the right to roll Need on anything the system will let you choose that option for (which is currently everything). The argument many make here is whether you should. While this discussion has migrated into another companion-need-roll argument, the original issue was over mods in an item.

If there's a mod in an item that's otherwise useless to you, then in theory, yes, you'd be within the spirit of the NBG system in rolling Need on it, since that singular mod qualifies as an upgrade for you.
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RagnarokJC
01.26.2012 , 04:41 PM | #660
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
Already done. Have you anything else you like? My shoe size?
Post me the link, please.
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