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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Surefiremm
01.26.2012 , 04:08 PM | #621
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
According to whom do you "deserve" a piece more? You? An understandable, if flawed, perspective. Each person in a group "deserves" a piece that drops from a downed boss equally. Since each person has an equal claim on a given item, an impartial system for distribution had to be implemented. NBG worked fine in WoW because you only had to worry about yourself; pets, demons, ghouls and elementals didn't require gear.

Once companions who required gear came into the picture in this game, the paradigm changed, and NBG is no longer sufficient, as a companion's requirement of upgrades suffices as a valid "need", despite disagreement on companions "requiring" a given quality of gear to remain adequately functional outside groups. Since there's no objective determination of that factor, it has to by nature rely on a given player's perspective.

You're in an instance. I'm in an instance. It doesn't matter what role either of us fill. We were both there along with two to fourteen other people. Each person has an equal right to stake a claim to anything they want which drops as a result of their effort (in conjunction with the group, of course). They don't have to give explanations, they don't require others' approval.
Ahhhhh, did the companion contribute in the quest? Was he part of the group? If that is the case then sure, but if they are absent why should u loot something for that companion when the person actually doing something doesn't get the loot? Sounds backwards to me, if thats how u want it, gl bringing your healer/tank companion, because bet you no one will want to lose loot to a companion.....
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Jedi_Wannabe
01.26.2012 , 04:09 PM | #622
Quote: Originally Posted by stem View Post
Why would I run a PuG to improve someone’s situation (gear improvements) that I'll likely never see again when I can run with guildies and better my situation regardless of who gets the gear?
Because they are just as much a part of the community as you are, and because you're not anti-social.
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keltonz
01.26.2012 , 04:09 PM | #623
Quote: Originally Posted by Skaara View Post
They really need to add class restrictions to the need button. The problem won't go away until they do.
As long as they have companions, this is an awful idea. Why should my group's Imp Agent in full Rataka get a set of Columi, when I *need* the gear for my companion?

Everyone should be able to need, no matter what. If its a problem, stop rolling with PUGs and get in a guild.


Edit: My guild's loot priority is simple - Main > Alts > Companions. If someone's main needs it, they get it. If not, any alts present get dibs. If no mains or alts need it, then others can roll need for their companions.


Edit 2: Maybe they should make it a group option? When you don't want to master loot, put in a restriction that gives the option first to people of that class - if they pass or greed, others can roll.

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Setanian
01.26.2012 , 04:09 PM | #624
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Nope, it's basic understanding of the English language. You taking an item created for another class when that class is present in the group is you being greedy or selfish. Either you don't understand the meaning of basic English words, or you're greedy. It's one or the other (may both).
What exactly states that it is for a specific class then? Your assumptions and demands? I understand English very well, so don't even think about going down that road. And trying to state I'm greedy is just baffling, when it is you that is advocating that I give up my roll on the loot so you have a better chance at winning it.
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Nightfox_
01.26.2012 , 04:09 PM | #625
It's ok guys, I ninja looted enough from other players that my companion can tank. Just let me pull him out..

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Setanian
01.26.2012 , 04:11 PM | #626
Quote: Originally Posted by Nightfox_ View Post
It's ok guys, I ninja looted enough from other players that my companion can tank. Just let me pull him out..
What I read from this is you have absolutely no argument so you are forced to resort to sarcasm. That's fine we can play along with you.
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Galbatorrix
01.26.2012 , 04:12 PM | #627
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
Work with me here... you just disagreed with me because you agreed with me.

Originally Posted by Eldren
It's a Marauder's vest if it says "Requires Sith Warrior" on it. Otherwise, it's fair game.

In short, just what I said... how does this harm my reading comprehension, exactly?

Because you can't grasp the concept that the "Marauder's Vest" should go to the Marauder in the group? The RNG gods was with him that run. He got lucky and the item that was created with his class in mind dropped. Instead of being a spoilsport and trying to steal the loot created for his class, why not be decent and pass on it? Maybe the item intended for your class will drop next run. You shouldn't let your bad luck grief others that are putting in just as much time as you.

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Pathlight-
01.26.2012 , 04:13 PM | #628
Selfish people exist IRL and in online games. The OP posting on this forum will not change that. Either BW solves this by making "need" class specific or players will have to deal with the fact that, like IRL, rational behavior does not always prevail and jerks sometimes win.

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Jigsaw-Complex
01.26.2012 , 04:13 PM | #629
I'm sorry, but this thread make me so glad I run with a guild. Yes, the game just came out, but if you people are saying a commando should be able to role need on a custom jedi tank robe just cause, then you are just a bunch of typical internet children. The kind of people who would sooner let somebody in a restaurant serve them the wrong meal then risk a confrontation asking for what you wanted. The internet makes so many people feel like they're bullet proof and beyond morals and etiquette.

But you know what, it's not something to get excited over, because any spoil little child that acts like this will eventually get black listed and then where will they be? In a thread here complaining to BW that there is no LFG so he can keep looting.
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Nightfox_
01.26.2012 , 04:13 PM | #630
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
What I read from this is you have absolutely no argument so you are forced to resort to sarcasm. That's fine we can play along with you.
More like.. it gets boring with your circular argument of "Unless Bioware forces me to be unable to roll on everyone else's class gear, I refuse to play in a mutually agreeable social setting."