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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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DigitalPrime
01.26.2012 , 07:57 AM | #461
Quote: Originally Posted by LaurV View Post
A funny thing:

my assassin in a group with a marauder. A lightsaber drops. It is one handed, one blade. It has +willpower and all that's good for a inquisitor.

The marauder needs, i need, i win.

The marauder: waaaaaaah, i need that, i will use it as offhand, you're a ninja.
Me: you don't use willpower, you need strenght, at least i will strip the mods and use them all at the right value.

The marauder: no no, it is a single blade weapon and is rightfully mine even if willpower is 0 for me.

So ... who has is the right one in this situation?
Greed, you both dont really need it. so just greed to see the out come.

To be honest, BW should implement a system so if its not for your character, a need roll should be blocked out.

Could be hard to code though with all the different items in game!

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ferroz
01.26.2012 , 08:04 AM | #462
Quote: Originally Posted by Jedi_Wannabe View Post
I feel that if someone wants to go against loot etiquette that has been around for over a decade, they owe it to the other players to speak up. The players using the decade old loot etiquette do not owe it to anyone to say "We're using the decade old loot rules."
Whoah, swtor has been around for a decade? How did I miss it all this time?

Some people have done NBG loot in some games over the last decade. And some haven't. And none of that really applies in a game where the loot usage is so radically different than many other games (with companions using loot and keeping it permanently, and having piecemeal gear that comes in a appearance container)

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ferroz
01.26.2012 , 08:04 AM | #463
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalPrime View Post
To be honest, BW should implement a system so if its not for your character, a need roll should be blocked out.

Could be hard to code though with all the different items in game!
I seem to recall someone posting a quote that implied that it's not hard, but BW disagreed with that loot philosophy...

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Aghar
01.26.2012 , 08:10 AM | #464
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
I seem to recall someone posting a quote that implied that it's not hard, but BW disagreed with that loot philosophy...
Just because some random person says its not that hard, does not mean its easy. Most of the people on the forums have either none or very little programming experience. And it is an even smaller percentage that have mmo programming experience. It took WoW till Wrath to figure out how to implement that kind of system. And its not like blizzard is going to let bioware see their server side code.
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Suzina
01.26.2012 , 08:15 AM | #465
Need before greed.


Need is when it is an upgrade for your character.

Greed is for everything else (sell to vendor, sell to auction house, cosmetic outfit, companion outfit, destroy for fun, ect...)


You should not press "need" on items that are not an upgrade for you. That's why there's 2 buttons (greed and need) instead of just "roll"
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Vlacke
01.26.2012 , 08:21 AM | #466
Quote: Originally Posted by Suzina View Post
Need before greed.


Need is when it is an upgrade for your character.

Greed is for everything else (sell to vendor, sell to auction house, cosmetic outfit, companion outfit, destroy for fun, ect...)


You should not press "need" on items that are not an upgrade for you. That's why there's 2 buttons (greed and need) instead of just "roll"
WRONG.

There are THREE buttons actually, an option to PASS is also available, the sad thing is aside from myself and a very small percentage of others i rarely see anyone pass on anything.

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Busukaba
01.26.2012 , 08:21 AM | #467
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Our perspective is more valid because Bioware FORCE FED these people what their proper stats were through out their entire play time. They know, as a Jedi Knight, that STR is their main stat. If they're rolling on Cunning items when a Smuggler is in the group, they're douche bags. Plain and simple. You can argue for these douche bags all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a douche move.
See, I never understand this mode of thinking, but then, I'm not a gear/stat hound. It's like people teling me they don't want me in a flashpoint with them because my gear isn't maxed out. How stupid is that? I don't need maxed out gear to keep your dumb *** alive, I just need to know how to play.

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I think the arguments in this thread for your side are absolutely ridiculous. According to you, a person needing on an item that's not intended for their class is completely fine as long as it will benefit their character in some way. Well genius, every item can be sold and credits = better everything for my character. So, according to you, everyone should just roll need on everything that drops.
And why not? If my companion can use it why not? It's just gear. If you have a compulsive disorder that means you need to run every flashpoint 23 times to get the gear it drops for your class... it's not really my problem. You need help, not me. Credits are nice to, I guess, but I always made way more money from tooling around solo and seling that than anything I won off a flashpoint

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Of course, this would completely destroy people's sole purpose for being in the flashpoint in the first place
Really? my sole reason for doing a flashpoint is to get some lame *** gear that I'll find a better drop for in an hour and a half when adventuring solo? Yeah, you're right, I'd never do a flashpoint for story, social dynamics or simply to have human contact in this game.


The rest of your post is garbage anyway. Look, you can try and impose your will and order, but why? Who really cares? Why are you so gear obsessed that you need to whine on the forums because someone took your candy away? I still haven't heard a valid reason why Bioware should restrict the Need button. If I or my companion of choice needs the gear, I'll need it. Too bad for you if I win. and no, I don't care about your plight anymore than you pretend to champion mine.

So please, get off your high horse because you don't deserve anything. I play the game same as you and I only run each flashpoint once (for story purposes). If I see something I want, I need it, if not, I'll greed or pass. I always have a reason to need something and it's not to sell it for credits. You have a problem with it, write down my name and never play with me again, I really don't care. In the end, it's just a game, a diversion from my busy life that I maybe get to play an hour a day. It doesn't hurt me if you get some gear i wanted just like it does nothing to you if I get something you wanted.

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Galbatorrix
01.26.2012 , 08:22 AM | #468
Some people just don't do well socially in these type environments. They are playing this game like a single player game and they couldn't care less about the people around them. They may as well be NPCs.

Myself, I say the loot goes to the person that can get the most use out of it. PC's primary stats > Companion gear > Aesthetics. That's the way I play, and I never hear a single complaint. I've even gotten compliments from people when I'd pass on a piece of gear that was almost equal to what I'm wearing and told them to need for their companion. People really appreciate things like that. Of course I also ask before I need for something for the latter two reasons above... you know, just to be polite to the other people in the group that were kind enough to lend their time so we could go through this group based event. Then again, I'm not a douche.

Some parents out there really did fail miserably teaching their kids how to behave properly. Then again, most of the people ninjaing loot are probably still kids themselves anyway. So, I guess you can only get so upset when dealing with people that still have a lot of growing up to do.

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sjmc
01.26.2012 , 08:41 AM | #469
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the loot goes to the person that can get the most use out of it. PC's primary stats > Companion gear
Based on what data? Is a player that is getting a +1 Aim benefit making more use from it than my tank companion, for which it might be a +5 Aim increase plus an improvement in armor level? How could you even answer the question, not knowing what the two players will be doing next?

Just because some people think companions don't need gear, doesn't mean that everyone does.

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Saurakk
01.26.2012 , 08:43 AM | #470
You cannot teach manners or proper social etiquette to immature children with entitlement issues. Sadly some are adult children which makes it even worse....for them.

Blame their parents, but in the end, just weed them out and let your ignore list grow.

Warn your guildies or keep a list on your guild forums.

Do not let it get to you. Just feel sad for them.

They have to wake up each day as miserable as the previous.