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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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ferroz
01.26.2012 , 07:27 AM | #451
Quote: Originally Posted by Inarai View Post
Second, should point out that a tank who goes solely for defensives is going to have no threat. There's a reason, for example, that the Assassin tank tree also boosts crit stuff.
maybe it'll be a problem in Ops or hard modes... but it's certainly not an issue while leveling (other than the early lack of aoe threat problems due to lack of useful abilities..

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LaurV
01.26.2012 , 07:27 AM | #452
A funny thing:

my assassin in a group with a marauder. A lightsaber drops. It is one handed, one blade. It has +willpower and all that's good for a inquisitor.

The marauder needs, i need, i win.

The marauder: waaaaaaah, i need that, i will use it as offhand, you're a ninja.
Me: you don't use willpower, you need strenght, at least i will strip the mods and use them all at the right value.

The marauder: no no, it is a single blade weapon and is rightfully mine even if willpower is 0 for me.

So ... who has is the right one in this situation?

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ferroz
01.26.2012 , 07:29 AM | #453
Quote: Originally Posted by LaurV View Post
A funny thing:

my assassin in a group with a marauder. A lightsaber drops. It is one handed, one blade. It has +willpower and all that's good for a inquisitor.

The marauder needs, i need, i win.

The marauder: waaaaaaah, i need that, i will use it as offhand, you're a ninja.
Me: you don't use willpower, you need strenght, at least i will strip the mods and use them all at the right value.

The marauder: no no, it is a single blade weapon and is rightfully mine even if willpower is 0 for me.

So ... who has is the right one in this situation?
whoever isn't complaining about it.

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Soulchilde
01.26.2012 , 07:30 AM | #454
Quote: Originally Posted by Descento View Post
if I am able to press NEED, then i'm allowed to do it


/thread
This is true, but it needs to be fixed. Needing for currently played toon is fine. but rolling for mods or worse your companions is just dumb, imo, but until Bioware decides to change it anyone can roll need

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Rodanth_The_Wise
01.26.2012 , 07:32 AM | #455
Quote: Originally Posted by Descento View Post
if I am able to press NEED, then i'm allowed to do it


/thread
Yup, until someone out-rolls you on a piece of gear you've been waiting for for days, maybe even weeks, and only intends on vendoring it or having it because it looks cool and doesn't benefit him statistically what so ever. Then you'll be the one coming here to ***** about it. And if I'm wrong, I'll be very, very surprised. I've seen tons of kids like you, and they are all the same. Yes I will be stereotypical. I haven't been surprised yet.
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Schnerf
01.26.2012 , 07:36 AM | #456
Quote: Originally Posted by CBGB View Post
...if anyone in that class is with your group.

I can't believe I'm posting about item rolls, or about this issue. People worry too much about loot, and I'm a big believer in just enjoying the game.
But poor claims hurt group dynamics, and there's no need for this kind of thing.

Today, a Sith Marauder rolled Need to get this
Cademimu Sharpshooter's Jacket
+34 Endurance
+38 Cunning
+18 Critical Rating


when I pointed out it was made for an Agent, like me, he said he intended to strip out the mods and trade them.

When I noted that the mods are Bound, he insisted that since he could wear it, he could roll. More surprising was that when he brought the issue to /General, a few voices agreed.

Most did not, but the others need to know that sort of claim i's a party-breaker. This is clearly an Agent item - a huge upgrade in my case - and my next group will get a little less healing as a result.

One of the pleasures of running Flashpoints is the chance to get gear suited to you. If it's better suited to someone else, leave it for them.
Need the crit out of that piece, sorry.

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Galbatorrix
01.26.2012 , 07:43 AM | #457
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
Nice false dichotomy there.

Have you considered that some, possibly even many, of the people who roll on loot in a fashion you disapprove of might have reasons? Or are you only caught up in disagreeing with those reasons and considering them objectively invalid as a result?

In short, what makes your perspective more valid than theirs?

Both perspectives are valid, which is why there's an impartial system in place to insure neither perspective takes ascendancy over the other. Anything beyond that isn't designed, only put forth in attempted enforcement via a social contract that these forums seem to make obvious not everyone subscribes to or agrees with.
Our perspective is more valid because Bioware FORCE FED these people what their proper stats were through out their entire play time. They know, as a Jedi Knight, that STR is their main stat. If they're rolling on Cunning items when a Smuggler is in the group, they're douche bags. Plain and simple. You can argue for these douche bags all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a douche move.

I think the arguments in this thread for your side are absolutely ridiculous. According to you, a person needing on an item that's not intended for their class is completely fine as long as it will benefit their character in some way. Well genius, every item can be sold and credits = better everything for my character. So, according to you, everyone should just roll need on everything that drops. Of course, this would completely destroy people's sole purpose for being in the flashpoint in the first place and will likely either shy them away from them in the future or in the very least, never group with you again. But, who cares about other people? Who cares about the community working together in hopes that people are decent to one another? As long as I gotz MINE, who cares about that other guy in the group? Heck, you may never see him again. Or then again, he may be group leader for that Heroic quest that you've been shouting about in gen chat for the last 10 minutes who refuses to let you join in the fun...


Also, if you're walking down the street and someone collapses on the side walk, just keep right on walking. I mean, you just picked up lunch and how dare that guy be selfish and entitled thinking you should let your lunch grow cold to help him out. Heck, you'll probably never see that guy again.

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ferroz
01.26.2012 , 07:49 AM | #458
Quote: Originally Posted by Rodanth_The_Wise View Post
Yup, until someone out-rolls you on a piece of gear you've been waiting for for days, maybe even weeks, and only intends on vendoring it or having it because it looks cool and doesn't benefit him statistically what so ever. Then you'll be the one coming here to ***** about it. And if I'm wrong, I'll be very, very surprised. I've seen tons of kids like you, and they are all the same. Yes I will be stereotypical. I haven't been surprised yet.
I wouldn't care.

Maybe I base less of my sense of self worth on the pixels that my virtual character has? Or perhaps it's that I don't think I'm more entitled to the gear than other people who were there to kill the boss that dropped it...

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DigitalPrime
01.26.2012 , 07:54 AM | #459
Quote: Originally Posted by CBGB View Post
...if anyone in that class is with your group.

I can't believe I'm posting about item rolls, or about this issue. People worry too much about loot, and I'm a big believer in just enjoying the game.
But poor claims hurt group dynamics, and there's no need for this kind of thing.

Today, a Sith Marauder rolled Need to get this
Cademimu Sharpshooter's Jacket
+34 Endurance
+38 Cunning
+18 Critical Rating


when I pointed out it was made for an Agent, like me, he said he intended to strip out the mods and trade them.

When I noted that the mods are Bound, he insisted that since he could wear it, he could roll. More surprising was that when he brought the issue to /General, a few voices agreed.

Most did not, but the others need to know that sort of claim i's a party-breaker. This is clearly an Agent item - a huge upgrade in my case - and my next group will get a little less healing as a result.

One of the pleasures of running Flashpoints is the chance to get gear suited to you. If it's better suited to someone else, leave it for them.

In FPs, only people should roll need for themselves. Not companions.

In heroic instances. Ask the group if you can roll need for a companion.

If people dont do this. I just put them on ignore, then forward there name to all my guild who also puts them on ignore. I advise everyone to do this as these ninjas will eventually get blacklisted by most of the server.

Dont rant, dont kick off. Just ignore them and move on. They will be the ones who looses out in the end if they keep there playstyle up!

MMO etiquette defines MMOs from other online games!

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ferroz
01.26.2012 , 07:55 AM | #460
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
I think the arguments in this thread for your side are absolutely ridiculous. According to you, a person needing on an item that's not intended for their class is completely fine as long as it will benefit their character in some way. Well genius, every item can be sold and credits = better everything for my character. [ So, according to you, everyone should just roll need on everything that drops.
I'm fine with that, if that's what you want to do...

Personally, I'm not that worried about credits per se, so I'll stick to rolling on the stuff that I want, for the reasons that I want it. I'll continue believing that your want isn't more important than mine. And I'll continue to believe that if you feel like you're somehow entitled to the loot for some arbitrary reason, that you're being selfish and greedy.

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Of course, this would completely destroy people's sole purpose for being in the flashpoint in the first place and will likely either shy them away from them in the future or in the very least, never group with you again.
No, there are lots of reasons to run flash points.

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But, who cares about other people?
The people who don't feel that they're more entitled to loot just because it matches some arbitrary pattern.

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Who cares about the community working together in hopes that people are decent to one another?
The people who don't feel that they're more entitled to loot just because it matches some arbitrary pattern.

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As long as I gotz MINE, who cares about that other guy in the group?
MINE = feels entitled to the gear for some reason. The only way you should feel entitled to it is if you won the roll.

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Also, if you're walking down the street and someone collapses on the side walk, just keep right on walking.
Bad analogy.