No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

If I increase my stats, I heal better. That helps everyone in the groups that I am with in the Flashpoints, etc. Everyone benefits.

You have not refuted this argument by your statement above. Until you do, you, sir, are a troll. Putting something on the GTN does not reward someone who actually spent time in the raid as the end goal is to benefit the community by rewarding the player for their contributions. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

The ad hominem comment makes me think you are a first year law student who is bored off of his tukus looking for an argument. I hope no one gets the misfortune of running a Flashpoint with you.

Why?

The "but that's a bigger upgrade for me" argument is clearly one of greed and selfish entitlement.

Even if you've deluded yourself into thinking that "It's an upgrade" ... if the loot item is an upgrade to 2 people, why would it matter who it's a bigger upgrade for?

I'd be fine with that. Because I'm not deluding myself into thinking that "it's an upgrade" means that I'm somehow entitled to it.

If they win, I congratulate them and move on.

crying about someone else winning because "that's a bigger upgrade to me" will get you booted from most decent groups as well.

No it is not designed as such, despite your rationalizations. If someone is just going to strip out the mods, then what use is it anyway? You "need" an empty orange item?

Keep trying to convince yourself selfishness is in the best interests of the game.

That's kind of how I feel about it too. Otherwise why have a roll system at all? Just automatically bind every item that drops to the player with the appropriate class and the lowest related stat. I usually pass on something if I really don't need it, but if I do roll need and lose... oh well.

Very good points with an optimistic outcome. Thank you. I agree that the outlandish trolling is a form of self-preservation or a defense mechanism. Good points all around. Cheers!

So to be clear, by your standards, it would be fine for me to roll need on everything (regardless of mods or just static stats) simply because I can vendor it and use the credits to buy an upgrade for myself, correct?

This game force feeds you your class's proper stats from go. People needing on items that aren't their primary stats are obviously not too bright.

There's a roll system because Companions can use the gear too. If you're running with all STR and Willpower users and a Cunning items drops that is usable by your companion, you should be able to roll on it for such. Though people often use these system to just need on everything regardless.


And for all of the people that think it's wrong to act "entitled" to the loot DESIGNED for your class... well, I AM entitled to it. I'm running the flashpoint too and I am entitled to any loot DESIGNED for me. You're being completely discourteous and you're also acting entitled thinking you should be able to need on an item that you can't get any use out of.

Heck, If an item drops I already have and I know someone's companion can use it, I tell them to need while I pass. I just wish everyone was so courteous.

It should be changed so that you can only wear gear of your armor type. No more heavy armor wearers being able to wear light armor.

The interface should change so that you cannot roll need on an item that 1) is not your armor type and 2) does not contain your primary stat (aim, cunning, strength, willpower).

No, only you and your groups benefit. The idea that because you and your clique are better off means that things are better for everyone is an inherently selfish point of view.

If it's an item that you later replace, it's only a temporary gain even for that clique. Take the case where someone takes an item, rips a mod out of it and then keeps that mod longer than you would keep that item. At that point, you raise the long term community stats more by letting that individual take the item and rip the one mod out...

Besides that, it clearly doesn't help everyone; a quick counter example: as the gear level of you and your clique increases, the disparity between you and a newly leveled character increases, raising the expectations placed on all characters regardless of gear, making it harder for new characters to get groups. You can see that in action toward the end of an expansion in most MMOs (it happened a lot in both EQ and WoW)


The logic you're using here is analogous to "robbing banks makes the world a better place because I can give my friends money" ... it really doesn't help the community. The robber just thinks it does because he's trying to see himself as not being selfish.

It benefits the community as a whole more, since it increases the average level of gear by a larger amount.

(and like I said, not that increasing that makes you any less selfish)

Nope... programmer who happens to have a background in logic (you know, since logic and discrete math are a big part of CS), though I think I first learned the term arguing with people on usenet.

Implied ad hominem attacks make your arguments look just as weak as overt ones...