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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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ferroz
01.25.2012 , 11:30 AM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by JustTed View Post
You're trying to be everything on the same plane. If Jedi robes drop and everyone wants them, then everyone should get to roll.
Sure, everyone wants them, everyone will use them, noone is more entitled to them than anyone else.

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This is stupid and wrong.
How so?

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If you need it explained to you then I'm just going to drink bleach so I don't have to talk to someone so myopic.
I'm calling a spade a spade.

You want an item and feel entitled to it. Whether a particualr set of pixels that you have control over can equip it or not is irrelevant. If you insist that you are more entitled to it than someone else who has put in the same effort for it, then you're being greedy. You are being more greedy and selfish than someone who just rolls need and doesn't argue that he's more entitled to it.

There's no need involved; it's just a word people say to make themselves feel better about the situation.

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ferroz
01.25.2012 , 11:32 AM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by EternalFinality View Post
Needing for mods, like needing for companions, just like needing to sell on the GTN or to a vendor, just like needing to equip is just selfish.
fixed

they're all equally selfish acts.

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HanzoV
01.25.2012 , 11:33 AM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
No, they're not any part of the problem.

The fact that you have a need to feel like you're in control and can hold people accountable is the problem... the lack of being able to hold them accountable is in no way part of the problem.
It's not a control issue, it's a trust issue. When I play with my RL Friend, I know he won't roll on items that his character can't use.

What do you roll? Need or Greed?
TORtanic indeed. It's just like that movie that was hugely successful and made boatloads of money.
This is an MMO. Whether you play with or see the other players is irrelevant to that fact.

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Calsetes
01.25.2012 , 11:33 AM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by Sleekit View Post
y'know as long as its not an instance near end game you can go back (and faceroll some) and grab anything you want for looks...

just sayin'

i still consider needing over on an upgrade for another class in the group bad for tho.
it just common courtesy from my personal pov and you'll lose tanks and healers mid instance and make many an ignore list doing it.
That's true. I ran... I think it's Mandalorian Raiders or something yesterday or two days ago, saw some nice Trooper pants that fit my "heavy armor" look on my Vanguard. I want them, they had better stats than my current pants, but I didn't win the roll. Boo hoo, I'll run it later when I can easily solo it with Elara.
The average person thinks he isn't.
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Lhuna
01.25.2012 , 11:35 AM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Aisar View Post
You're the kind of person I love to win rolls againts for my companion
You are the kind of person I love to kick and ignore

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JustTed
01.25.2012 , 11:35 AM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
Sure, everyone wants them, everyone will use them, noone is more entitled to them than anyone else.
Except for the class that the item is designed for. That guy clearly has more of a need--for a given value of "need" in a video game--than the guy who is a different class.

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You want an item and feel entitled to it.
It's not about entitlement, it's about sense. The item is, say, for a Jedi, but has a mod in it that a trooper can use, so the trooper rolls on the item. Now you're saying both classes have an equal claim to the item because no one NEEDS it like it's oxygen or water.

Yeah, it's a game. The goal of the game is "progress your character," and the way that's done once you hit 50 is through gear. Saying everyone has the same need for everything because none of it is food and this is just a video game is a flimsy pretext for you to be a greedy *******.

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Annedromeda
01.25.2012 , 11:35 AM | #187
I think they should just do what City of Heroes does.

They randomly generate loot, randomly choose people to give it to, and only the person who received the loot knows what they got, unless they want to share in chat. No hurt feelings, everyone gets stuff, relevant to your toon or not.
When a man dies, a swarm of highly charged energies deserts the body and goes out into space entering another cycle of life. These energies have an IMMORTAL nature. -Thomas Edison

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Kirska
01.25.2012 , 11:36 AM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Kirska View Post
No one here is complaining about a particular item of loot. We are complaining about the behavior and attitude of players towards their group mates. There is a big difference.
As an example, I get just as angry in a group when this happens when it's not me who is affected. I have left groups when items I can't even equip are stolen from another player. As I said, it's not the item I'm upset about, it's the lack of respect and common courtesy.
Kirska Nal'tai - Imperial Agent

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ferroz
01.25.2012 , 11:37 AM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by Kirska View Post
Every opinion is based on logic. Every thought is based on logic. It's how we think.
Irrelevant. There's no logic in the quoted text. In that particualr piece of quoted text there is an opinion with no backing logic. There's no logic present to call faulty logic.

Calling faulty logic on that statement is, itself, a fallacious argument.

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No one here is complaining about a particular item of loot.
I'm pretty sure the OP is.

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We are complaining about the behavior and attitude of players towards their group mates. There is a big difference.
No, you're complaining about a particular type of greed and selfishness, and trying to label it as more greedy than rolling need because you want to wear it and it happens to have stats that you feel are better than your current ones when that is just simply not the case.

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JustTed
01.25.2012 , 11:38 AM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
No, you're complaining about a particular type of greed and selfishness, and trying to label it as more greedy than rolling need because you want to wear it and it happens to have stats that you feel are better than your current ones when that is just simply not the case.
It's not a feeling. Some items are designed for certain classes and it's obvious upon looking at the item.