No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

yes, and as I've been saying, the actual correct word is "want", not need.

You don't need any item in the game. You want them. You say need because you're being selfish and falsely entitled.

People say "need" to try and feel like they're being less selfish. In all truth, they aren't being any less selfish, and they should be more honest with themselves.

I stopped reading here. If this is the expectation, then clearly no one at Bioware has ever played an MMO. Ever.

Humans--particularly humans who are anonymous and safe because they're on the internet--are selfish jerks. That's why the loot system needs to be restrictive. Saying "we're counting on people not to be jerks" is just plain stupid.

You're trying to be everything on the same plane. If Jedi robes drop and everyone wants them, then everyone should get to roll.

This is stupid and wrong. If you need it explained to you then I'm just going to drink bleach so I don't have to talk to someone so myopic.

No, they're not any part of the problem.

The fact that you have a need to feel like you're in control and can hold people accountable is the problem... the lack of being able to hold them accountable is in no way part of the problem.

Needing for mods, like needing for companions, is just selfish.

Exactly, well said.

Bottom line for me... if you run in PuGs and you do not set the loot rules at the start of the run, then you cannot really complain when this happens. The "Oh, but that is the accepted norm in all games" argument does not and cannot hold any weight - your experience and knowledge does not mean that the other guy has it as well.

My groups get very bored when I insist on defining the loot rules and party roles (as I usually play the healer) at the start. 3 minutes sitting there saves drama later on, and helps educate the large number of players who apparently do not know what is and is not acceptable to the group in Need/Greed rolling.

Sure, that does not stop an idiot from rolling Need for an item they cannot use when there is a party member who can and will use them, but when I set the rules I also say that anyone breaking them and not correcting it immediately is kicked, they know what will happen when they "Need" on an item.

Also blacklisting the character will help, as will mentioning it in General. If you see anything in General where people say they find that kind of thing acceptable, I would suggest blacklisting them too - save you the trouble of having to group with them to find their Need/Greed preferences.

y'know as long as its not an instance near end game you can go back (and faceroll some) and grab anything you want for looks...

just sayin'

i still consider needing on an upgrade for another class that's in the group bad form tho. its just common courtesy from my personal pov and you'll lose tanks and healers mid instance and make many an ignore list doing it.

i pass on items a great deal of the time in instances and if i want something that someone else might or something for my companion i ask about in group before rolling. imo it's one of the things that see's me getting thrown many invites (and im "easily replaceable" dps)

I constantly forget that mods are get bound, but I would never roll anything but greed on an item my class or companions can't wear.

Every opinion is based on logic. Every thought is based on logic. It's how we think.

No one here is complaining about a particular item of loot. We are complaining about the behavior and attitude of players towards their group mates. There is a big difference.