No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

It's not every day I get labelled "socially inept," 'hopeless," and a "baby" by someone instructing me on how to build friendships.

I'm a considerate teammate and a thoughtful player, not to mention an effective healer. Most of my experiences PuGging have been quite fun, as I've said - but I don't find guildmates or friends for every run, and this 'anything I want' loot approach has been a problem more than once.



That's been posted several times in different ways; I'm glad you're always able to find groups with people you know.

I'm not. I keep a good friends list and enjoy teaming with my guild, but I always find the need to PuG for quests. They're usually good experiences, and I often find new solid teammates that way. This isn't an anti-PuG rant.

This is a thread about a behavior I hope the SWTOR community shuns. Everyone loses with it; if I start doing the same kind of 'I can, so I will' rolling, that Sith Marauder loses half his chances to upgrade items, too.

As a team, we're weaker for the roll he made. So's my next team. Bad choice on his part, all around.

With a PUG, not only do you roll for loot, you're also rolling the dice on what type of players you will be grouping with, and what motives they have for grouping, in this case, for a repeatable mission.

Everybody at one point joins a PUG for whatever reason, so you can have anyone from, skilled and considerate, to useless and obnoxious, and every combination in between.
Same goes for their motive for grouping, from "enjoys challenge of group content" to "just gimme the lewt already!"

So really, the whole mission is a throw of the dice, from the beginning up until the blue glowing end.
That is the nature of the beast that is the PUG.
You will always get people who follow group etiquette, some who don't quite understand it, and some , who plainly don't give a toss about it.
Luckily though, the majority of players in this game are fairly considerate in groups, when it comes to loot, but there will always be a few that are not.

The problem is though, a game can only implement so many rule mechanics before it becomes too restrictive, sterile and just not fun.
So it falls on the playerbase to fill in the gaps where needed.
A bit of consideration and some common sense is normally all that is needed to keep things running smoothly for everyone.

I feel the OP's pain in losing that roll, as imo those are some sweet threads.
My Andronikos has the RD-04B version and he looks bad***!!
I was messing about and put them on Ashara and she looked superbad***.
Swinging away with her 2 sabers, and the trenchcoat flowing with her moves, looks really awesome.
So now, I have been solo grinding that FP for a day ,hoping to get that drop, still no luck, but I did get the pants for it, so small victories

What will end up happening is that Bio will have to play parent and set up loot rules.

I'd like to ask you why your "funzies" are more important than someone else's choice to focus on appearance rather than stats. Not to mention we all KNOW that orange items are almost completely neutral with the exception of armor type.

You could have asked for the mods if he wasn't going to use them. Orange items are a dime a dozen if you don't care about appearance, which you don't.

There are many aspects to this game and just because you don't value a piece of it doesn't mean that no one else does. Have some empathy and see it from someone else's perspective.

If you don't have this discussion when you group up and get agreement on it or boot dissenters, you have no one but, yourself to blame. BioWare leaves it to the individual to define what "need" means and it tends to vary wildly person to person. Your priority may to be optimizing your stats while another player's may be creating a cool looking companion. There is no one defined playstyle so, don't be surprised when not preparing for different priorities blows up in your face.

I just wanted to throw in here....that the Cademimu Agent chest piece is a black trenchcoat and I used it all the way up til I got my 50 gear piece, and would still rather have it, as it is the coolest looking piece of agent gear I have found.

Ninja looting sucks.

Rolling for your companion against other people's main specs also sucks. I kinda wish BW made companions gear-less.

In the situation listed in the OP, I personally would see if the class whose item it was needed it for looks or usage, and if he didn't need it for either, I'd ask if it was okay for me to roll Need because I liked the look on it. If they're cool with it, then I'd roll Need. If not, then I'd hit Greed and pray for the best.

Really, extremely simple way to deal with it no matter your situation.

Mods in BoP items are bound. Can't trade them.

funny thing is that my main stat is actually CRIT.

yes, i am boutnyhunter, arsenal specced. i need crit, because with crits i vent heat (aka: mana regen)

and what do i have to do? get rakata & pvp sorcerer gear to get the crit mods because none of the bounty hunter items has crit on it (only self crafted, which has worse stats)

before i started getting items with ilvl56 mods in it, i was happy with the crit mod i could get from the ilum daily hc2, but even those mods are now too bad.