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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 04:51 PM | #1261
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Actually you said exactly what I said.

I'm grouping to do group content (non-solo) and other people are required to do that content. If those I'm grouping with are unable to accomplish the mission because they have grouped with you on five previous runs where you felt your solo companion took precedence over their primary toon needs then we all fail.

You included.
A lot of assumptions there.. I may be doing the group content because I am specifically looking for the gunslingers panties for my companion.

How do you know I already failed 5 times or failed at all with some other group.

The *fact* is, what I am doing the group is really none of your concern.
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Vydor_HC
01.27.2012 , 04:53 PM | #1262
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Actually you said exactly what I said.

I'm grouping to do group content (non-solo) and other people are required to do that content. If those I'm grouping with are unable to accomplish the mission because they have grouped with you on five previous runs where you felt your solo companion took precedence over their primary toon needs then we all fail.

You included.
Actually, no that's not what I am saying. I do not form a group then head to an encounter that I know I will fail because I am depending on getting gear in that group. Rewards are for your character going forward from that point in time. So, rolling for my character isn't determined on my characters state in that group, it's for how I character will perform in the future. Which the companion is an essential part of.

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samht
01.27.2012 , 04:53 PM | #1263
I know exactly why ppl roll. Need on gear that they can't use and this is the same reason why bioware will never put in classs based roll system...

Drum roll plz

To gear their companion --> plain an simple

Ppl will use all kinds of excuse for why but the true story is companion. I had an by say her aim was tOo high so she wanted to stack some cunning.. But mako uses cunning so she kept rolling need on both cunnIng and aim gear but swore it was for herself


Unfortunatly, until there is a cross-realm lfg tool ppl will put up with because it takes too long to replace Group member, this even more true for republic.

Signed pro choice on lfg tool
What's up with the no LFG and LFR

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Maccaroth
01.27.2012 , 04:53 PM | #1264
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian
Did the other 2 players earn the right to roll on the loot? Yes they did.
I never said they didn't.

Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian
The rest is irrelevant and being used to somehow grasp at a fact that is just not there.
That's... your opinion and you're free to have it, although I feel you disregard it mostly because it doesn't suit your point of view. I only explain the reasons why people act one way of the other.

Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian
We all do groups to attain a certain goal. I can bet in most PuGs, none of the players are grouping to enhance your chances of gaining loot.
Now I have to tell you to read what I write before posting something like that. Of course they aren't grouping to enhance my chances of gaining loot. They are enhancing their own chances to gain loot that will be the best for their character by - in turn - allowing me to have mine.
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Creed_Buhallin
01.27.2012 , 04:53 PM | #1265
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
If there are four players in the group all doing their part and you are selfishly rolling on gear that will only aid you when not grouped with other players, while taking advantage of those players to do it, then you should go elsewhere.
Since when is this a requirement?

A healing Mercenary shouldn't need much in the way of armor or blaster DPS while in a group, but when they're solo they do. Would you tell them they couldn't roll on a blaster that would improve their damage?

You guys really should stop pulling out new rules, not only is it getting impossible to keep up with all your justifications, but you're making things up so fast I don't think you've thought them through very well.

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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 04:53 PM | #1266
Quote: Originally Posted by Maccaroth View Post
But if 2 or 3 people in the team have companion who can use that item... it's suddenly 33% or 25% to loot that item. Not reassuring.
I can see that. But it's also going to depend on what people are likely to use.

I'm curious now what the commonly used companions are.

For Jedi Guardians most of us seem to use Kira, so that's light +will stuff. Same as Sages/Shadows.

For Troopers they will most likely be using the same armor that they wear heavy +aim

For Shadows I'd say maybe Doc, that's medium +cunning, Sages will likely stick with a tank so heavy +aim.

Smugglers will want a tank so heavy +str I'd guess, or maybe med +cunning which they already wear.

Don't know the imp side so well so not sure.

Edit: And now I'll complete my thought process.

Based on above, it seems kinda unlikely you'd be in a group where 3 of the people would have use of the same gear.

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Loendar
01.27.2012 , 04:54 PM | #1267
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
Your argument here works on the presumption of a foundation that you've not actually proven beforehand, so it doesn't hold up. You've no way of knowing if the people are unable to complete the content because they lost out on loot previously to someone choosing top-priority rolls for their companions.
The more people that approach the loot concept like the poster I mentioned the higher the percentage of the events unfolding taking place.

I have no idea why we are failing BUT I can see a direct correlation between the attitude towards loot being 'free for all' to the detriment of the whole and failing a mission.

Yes, it is hypothetical but not completely out of left field given the opinions expressed in this thread.

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ClyntKeelan
01.27.2012 , 04:56 PM | #1268
Quote: Originally Posted by Sufran View Post

Personally, I’d refuse to heal somebody that did such a thing and offer an ultimatum. I will not continue to co-operate with an individual or group of individuals that has no sense of collaborative spirit, it’s a principle I won’t deviate from. If everything is intended as a means to an end solely for your benefit rather than the collective then go play something other than an MMO.
Hallelujah! As a victim of this very phenomenon, allow me to share... I'd been FPing with the same group for a while and we were all friendly, and then just recently BAM, one of the Jedi presses 'Need' for a pair of bracers Cunning-high (my stat) - and I'm like 'What The Holy Twi'Leck You Go and Do That For'? Was very upset. Reasoned that it MUST have been for companion - could not have been purely to spite me? Lost faith in group completely, and now ignore them.
We were lvl 50 - had been groupin for a long time. Now I'm groupin with other folks and devoutly ignorin the first bunch.

Plenty more Jedi in the sea, let's face it.

So your companion got my bracers, fella: take him with you next time you go on an FP!

Hah!

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T-rollin
01.27.2012 , 04:56 PM | #1269
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
What you're actually doing here is setting up a classic "red herring", which I'd guess is a result of being unable to actually refute anything I said. And you still haven't answered the question, a plainly-stated one: show me, from one of my own posts, where I've claimed a degree different than the one I've actually claimed.

Thing is, you'll be unable to, because I've not claimed anything other than my doctorate. Across multiple threads on this very issue, in fact, any time someone tries to pull out terms like "sociopath" and use them without understanding their actual meaning.

I'm content to let this part go; it seems to me you're arguing just to make a lot of sound and fury, since you aren't even arguing the actual topic of this thread. But any time you'd like to actually take the proper steps to be taken seriously in your perspective here, you've been cleanly provided with the means to do so.
You're confusing not being able to refute what you say with not bothering to waste the time.

If someone said "The Sun runs on frog farts", I wouldn't bother trying to refute them, either, because when someone is willing to put as much babbling BS into their statements as you are, I already know up front that the effort is wasted.

You mention 'sound and fury', seemingly without realizing that would be the entirety of the content of your posts. You speak a lot without actually saying anything. That's why we're having this discussion; You've run the course of the babbling you can do on the thread's original issue, so now you're latching on to whatever else you can find to be argumentative about, like people using terms incorrectly, responding to random troll badgering, and the like.

Has any of this made you think about leaving the PC for a bit to do something that isn't killing brain cells?

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Loendar
01.27.2012 , 04:56 PM | #1270
Quote: Originally Posted by Creed_Buhallin View Post
Since when is this a requirement?

A healing Mercenary shouldn't need much in the way of armor or blaster DPS while in a group, but when they're solo they do. Would you tell them they couldn't roll on a blaster that would improve their damage?

You guys really should stop pulling out new rules, not only is it getting impossible to keep up with all your justifications, but you're making things up so fast I don't think you've thought them through very well.
Not at all - the item is for their toon and not their companion.

And these aren't 'new rules' - or really rules at all. The concept that a primary toon should take precedence over a companion is at the core of the issue.