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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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The_Archon
01.27.2012 , 04:25 PM | #1231
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
the most fairest and easiest way to fix this, is to remove the 'need' button. And that just wouldn't fit in with your scheme at all.
I think booting you fixes the problem just fine, personally. Everyone else who communicates becomes smarter than the RNG.

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 04:28 PM | #1232
Quote: Originally Posted by The_Archon View Post
That simple concept is lost for many people in this thread.

"To vendor it and keep the creds" is not a need.
"It looks cool on my companion" is not a need.

Folks in this thread who are comfortable rolling on loot that they themselves can't use or isn't an upgrade for them are the ones who'll be kicked from any group I run, no questions asked. The caveat is if nobody else can use the item either. A little basic communication is all it takes.
Forget the communication. Let me present something to you.

When we get to loot stage, we all, every member gets an option to roll.

I may be low on credits
I may want to gear my companion
I may want to pass it tony wife.

The bottom line here is this. The loot is not yours. It belongs to the player that won the roll. You have nothing to do with it after you roll. if you won, you won, if you lost, try again another time.

Those are the facts.

Now, obviously if we all rolled 'need' just to sell stuff that could be considered greedy in that credits are easy to get and that piece of loot might have helped your stats.

In everything, we make choices. If we are what I call a good Christian, I weigh the alternatives. i.e.: I roll need and sell, or I be a nice chap, and just pass it to you.

And that's all fine. But no-one, and I mean no-one has the right to tell me how to choose, especially when I see it for what it is and that is a gain on their part at my expense.
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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 04:29 PM | #1233
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
People needing on everything takes away most people's[citation needed] sole reason for running them in the first place.
Do you have some sort of statistics to back the claim of "most" people?

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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 04:29 PM | #1234
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
Incorrect.,. I have a valid entitlement to roll and see if I win.. And there-in lies the bit you can't, or more to the point I believe, won't accept.
Did you even read my point? Everyone has a valid entitlement to roll need on everything. EVERYTHING. Whether that be a tiny boost to a stat thanks to a mod, an appearance you like, companion gear, extra things to sell for abilities, etc. Your logic has no limits. You think that if the piece can benefit you in any way, you should get to roll on it over people that would receive more benefits from it. That logic is flawed because EVERYTHING could benefit everyone in some way or another. Most people I've ran with are better than that though, so luckily people like you seem to be few and far between in my personal experiences.

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 04:29 PM | #1235
Quote: Originally Posted by The_Archon View Post
I think booting you fixes the problem just fine, personally. Everyone else who communicates becomes smarter than the RNG.
You post this is some frantic attempt to believe that I actually care what you think, personally or otherwise.
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realID
01.27.2012 , 04:29 PM | #1236
I only run with guildies so it's not an issue.


That being said, I'd leave the group on the spot if it were to happen to me. I understand that robes look bad. My Guardian is in full Trooper gear, my Sentinel is in full Smuggler gear. I understand all about the big butts and the sudden baldness caused by hoods...

But if a player is actually using the stats the gear dropped with, they should get priority IMO.

Followed by players wanting it for the looks.

Followed by companions.


But again, not stuff I have to worry about thankfully.

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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 04:30 PM | #1237
Quote: Originally Posted by The_Archon View Post
I'll ask you as well: do you understand the difference between the concept of need and greed?

"Hmm this is an upgrade for my weapon."
"HAY I CAN SELL THIS FOR 50c!"

Everyone *could* hit the need button every time on everything. If they were stupid.


I agree with you. My post was a counter post to make a point.

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Eldren
01.27.2012 , 04:31 PM | #1238
Quote: Originally Posted by T-rollin View Post
Annoying when someone else does it, isn't it?

FYI - That would be to hide not being able to back them up Professor, not show them.
This thread likely isn't the place to argue semantics, though for what it's worth, my wife's English degree would definitely argue against your attempted rebuttal, particularly since it seems you didn't grasp what I was actually saying to begin with. But... meh, splitting hairs.

Arguments over semantics aside, I'm still waiting for you to actually back up your claim that I've lain claim to a different degree than my actual one. Unless you want to drop that claim, admit you were wrong, and go back to attempting to convince people that your method of loot distribution is the one they should all be using?
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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 04:31 PM | #1239
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Did you even read my point? Everyone has a valid entitlement to roll need on everything. EVERYTHING. Whether that be a tiny boost to a stat thanks to a mod, an appearance you like, companion gear, extra things to sell for abilities, etc. Your logic has no limits. You think that if the piece can benefit you in any way, you should get to roll on it over people that would receive more benefits from it. That logic is flawed because EVERYTHING could benefit everyone in some way or another. Most people I've ran with are better than that though, so luckily people like you seem to be few and far between in my personal experiences.
Were you going to make a point some where?

Yes, people have earned the right to choose to roll the dice for anything that they want. That's the design of the game. That's the fair way to do things. Is there something you don't understand about it, so that we can help explain it to you?

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 04:32 PM | #1240
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Did you even read my point? Everyone has a valid entitlement to roll need on everything. EVERYTHING. Whether that be a tiny boost to a stat thanks to a mod, an appearance you like, companion gear, extra things to sell for abilities, etc. Your logic has no limits. You think that if the piece can benefit you in any way, you should get to roll on it over people that would receive more benefits from it. That logic is flawed because EVERYTHING could benefit everyone in some way or another. Most people I've ran with are better than that though, so luckily people like you seem to be few and far between in my personal experiences.
You are throwing up a straw man argument. if you read my replies all the way through, all I have ever said was, everyone is entitled to roll how they please.

if someone decides to roll 'need' on everything that is a thing you then have to address. They are entitled to roll that way, but it would not be the norm.

My argument is against your stated claim that *I* should conform to your loot rules. i.e.: Your belief that the gunslingers panties were yours by some divine right.
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