No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

You can't actually ninja loot anything in this game. The only way you get the option to roll on the loot is because you helped kill what ever it was that you were fighting. Someone else can not suddenly drop stealth and loot the corpse.

The only thing that can happen is someone can roll need on an item that someone else doesn't think they actually are entitled to.

That's cool, that same drop is something that I want for looks. Lets roll!

You get lucky on a run by winning a roll. Not by dictating that other people can't roll on the loot that you want.

No reason to insist that I don't roll on it if I want it because your want is somehow more important than my want.

No, I'm not a sociopath. That's why I don't think my wants are more important than other people's wants. I think all of our wants are equal, and a fair impartial way of determining that exists in the game for resolving a situation where multiple people want the same item. They both click Need and whoever wins the roll gets the item. Ain't it grand?

If I were a sociopath, I'd be insisting that you let me have that gear because I want it.


That's not something I'd ever say. That's something you'd say though.

It's the same question I keep asking myself when I happen to break some IRL social tabu.

It's not that shallow. You can bend the rules a bit.

People usually take need for their character and there is no debate here (I think). There is also little to no debate when someone ask if he can need item for a companion if nobody need it. Problem appears when someone wishes to take need for his companion AND there is player in a group who would benefit from the looted item. If you allow needs of the companion to be treated the same way as the needs of the player's character then you'd ruin social contract (since everyone could take need on anything). It isn't senseless.

I've personally booted people like you from my groups several times in the past. Any player who rolls NEED consistently in my group will get instantly ejected. Somehow I can't see your math adding up:

Group who communicates and the loot goes where it's most needed
Group where one chucklehead needs on everything

Yeah, plenty of smooth runs there.

Oh good, we have someone else who wants to use terms they don't understand. You want to talk about what makes a sociopath? Ignoring that current medical term on it is ASPD (AntiSocial Personality Disorder), we can talk about this all day. I have the doctorate that lets me do it with authority. Would you like to go down that road?

If you help down the boss, you get to roll on the loot that drops. So does anyone else who helped down the boss. The system only gets more complicated than that if you make it so. The instant you start complicating a system that works perfectly well in its simpler form, you're only increasing your own odds of undesirable consequences (perhaps in the form of someone else deciding your reasons aren't good enough to roll, even if it's for your class).

Let the system stand, or petition BioWare directly to change the system. Those are your only options.

In his defense (not that he needs it from me) - he doesn't NEED on everything by his admission. He just needs on things for reasons that other people find to be incorrect. Because it is pretty for his character while it might be functional for another one.

So you kick people who do not conform to your greed based beliefs. If you are in some way dictating that the other groups members not roll how they wish, you are dictating that they conform to your beliefs. Greedy?

Have you? I kind of doubt it.

What do those people have to do with me?

I don't think I'll have very many groups where anyone needs on everything. That sort of thing is rare, and I have yet to run into it in this game, and only ran into it a couple of times in wow (out of 1000+ LFD pugs)

Do you understand the definitional difference between the concepts of need and greed?

If you need it for something, you need it. If you don't, you greed it. it's simple.