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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 03:32 PM | #1141
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
What? The enhancement mod gives them another 3 endurance over the other person getting pluses to every simple one of their stats? Be decent and pass on it. They need it more than you and you might actually feel good about it because you helped them obtain it. Helping others can be a good experience too. Some of you should try it some time.
Conversely, you should try playing your own game and allowing others to play theirs how they see fit. If you weren't so worried about what other people did and didn't do, you might actually enjoy the game more.
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ispanolfw
01.27.2012 , 03:32 PM | #1142
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Did you guys even have parents growing up? If so, did they teach you right from wrong? At all? Anything?
If I had learned from my mother I would have learned that you should treat your children as slaves. I would have learned that you should both smoke in front of your kids and ruin their lungs. I'm not arguing what you think is decent, i'm arguing that you are trying to push opinions as fact. Beliefs as fact. They are not. And i've already told you how I play, and even THAT is contrary to normal game rules. But I also do understand that some will follow those rules and nothing further, and that there is nothing "wrong" about it since the game is designed that way. I know if someone wants a Marauder piece on an Ia for looks, or to make Vette look neat with the Warrior Mask Look, they see that as important to them and they are given the ability to roll for that. I don't let my personal opinions try to tell them they are wrong and cannot do that.

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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 03:33 PM | #1143
Quote: Originally Posted by Maccaroth View Post
Social contract which allowed you to take need for "your" type of gear case to exist.
I have not seen or signed any such social contact. You may think it exists because it did in WoW, but we're not playing WoW. So any contact you had is null and void until a new one can be established.

This right here is the biggest problem. You have people who are trying to enforce their opinion on others, by a lack of discussing it ahead of time.

If I joined a party that had not discussed it ahead of time, why should I assume they are going to do it one way or the other? Just because they did it that way in a different game, one with a different type of loot system?

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 03:33 PM | #1144
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Did you guys even have parents growing up? If so, did they teach you right from wrong? At all? Anything?
The irony of this is astounding. My parents thought me right from wrong and fairness. Yet, here you are telling me it is fair to dictate to others what they should or should not do when it comes time to roll on loot.
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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 03:33 PM | #1145
Quote: Originally Posted by DrunkenGundark View Post
Right.

Look, I understand that there are differing playstyles, that everyone gets something different out of this game. We all play this game for different reasons. We all want different things out of it.

I am NOT AVERSE TO THIS.

But let's be frank and let's be rational. When you are in a flashpoint or in an operation, your objective is to get to the end of the mission. Your objective is to kill what's in your path. Is that not the case?

Getting upgrades to your equipment that boost your stats HELPS WITH COMPLETING THAT OBJECTIVE. Does it not?

Now I'm a roleplayer, and I like playing dress-up with my characters, too. But getting a really nice set of Jedi robes for my trooper to wear is NOT going to help my team get to the end of that level any more efficiently. So while the loot system may say I can click Need on those fancy robes, me taking those robes does not contribute anything to the betterment of my group.

Now by some people's interpretation, I participated in killing this boss. I showed up, I fought, I deserve to roll. But if I roll and I win, and I take that equipment item, I possibly take it from the hands of that Jedi who could use it for something far more useful than just as a roleplaying aid. And since the immediate purpose of this flashpoint involves COMBAT, roleplaying aids are not helpful. Stat boosts ARE.

Why was this directed at me? I've been arguing your exact point for what seems like 2000 pages now, haha.


I just realized you probably only meant the "right" part for me, so anyway, good post, I agree!

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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 03:36 PM | #1146
Quote: Originally Posted by DrunkenGundark View Post
But let's be frank and let's be rational. When you are in a flashpoint or in an operation, your objective is to get to the end of the mission. Your objective is to kill what's in your path. Is that not the case?
Nope. It's to enjoy myself by playing the game.

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Getting upgrades to your equipment that boost your stats HELPS WITH COMPLETING THAT OBJECTIVE. Does it not?
No, it doesn't, not as much as getting a piece of visible loot that makes me look like I want to look like.

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Now by some people's interpretation, I participated in killing this boss. I showed up, I fought, I deserve to roll. But if I roll and I win, and I take that equipment item, I possibly take it from the hands of that Jedi who could use it for something far more useful than just as a roleplaying aid.
False. You take it from the cold dead hands of whatever you're looting it from (or a chest, as may be). You NEVER take it from another player.

As soon as you start saying "taking it from player X" then it's clear that the issue is that you feel entitled to that loot.

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Sousukesama
01.27.2012 , 03:37 PM | #1147
Quote: Originally Posted by Creed_Buhallin View Post
My companion is not another person. They're an extension of my character. By this logic you should never be able to roll on an item that increases Presence, because it only boosts your other character.

Your companion is more than a pet, but at the core they're still a pet. I don't remember any other game where someone wouldn't be allowed to stake a claim to an item because it only improved their pet.

The fact that so many people have not yet adapted to the fact that in SWTOR, every character is a pet class does not make them right.
It isn't about being allowed to need something you want or not. It is about being human and treating others with respect. I notice you left out the part in my quote regarding people having more courage to be disrespectful in the online world compared to face to face.

In the end though, this entire thread is nothing but opinions. Continue to need on items in PUGs that your base class cannot benefit from stat wise and in 6 months you let me know how many groups you are able to get into still with the same character as your rep becomes well known You reap what you sow

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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 03:37 PM | #1148
Quote: Originally Posted by Jigsaw-Complex View Post
Under some cases, a Sentinel wearing orange smuggler gear is ok. But it is never, never, NEVER ok to wear under your maximum armor quality.
No, if I'm not a tank it's not a big deal.

especially for something like a jedi guardian dps.

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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 03:37 PM | #1149
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
They need it more than you...
And if it is a even bigger upgrade for my companion, and therefor by extension and upgrade to me when I'm not in a FP. Then doesn't that mean I need it more then them?

I mean if your line is, it should go to who ever gets the biggest increase out of it... Then that's fine, but then you have to accept that an upgrade in equipment for my companion is an upgrade for me.

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 03:39 PM | #1150
Quote: Originally Posted by Sousukesama View Post
It isn't about being allowed to need something you want or not. It is about being human and treating others with respect. I notice you left out the part in my quote regarding people having more courage to be disrespectful in the online world compared to face to face.

In the end though, this entire thread is nothing but opinions. Continue to need on items in PUGs that your base class cannot benefit from stat wise and in 6 months you let me know how many groups you are able to get into still with the same character as your rep becomes well known You reap what you sow
This is another of those veiled threats. if you don't so as we say, you'll be outcast. I have yet to see anyone outcast on an MMO for any reason.
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