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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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ispanolfw
01.27.2012 , 03:09 PM | #1091
Quote: Originally Posted by Edryk View Post
Good job quoting only the definition from dictionary.com that supports your argument. Here are the others.

2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules
4. neither excellent nor poor; moderately or tolerably good

For (2) we are discussing the merit of the rules. And for (4) my opinion is different than yours.
And I could say the same, but the first one is the primary definition. The second as you pasted in also fits rather well with 1 and how the system works. The fourth doesn't even apply since the word is used in a different way. As in the cake was fair, or decent, or "ok" And as such due to being something based on opinion, STILL wouldn't fit. For something to be "fair" for all parties involved, it has to be impartial of ANYONE'S opinions.

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 03:10 PM | #1092
Quote: Originally Posted by Edryk View Post
Good job quoting only the definition from dictionary.com that supports your argument. Here are the others.

2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules
4. neither excellent nor poor; moderately or tolerably good

For (2) we are discussing the merit of the rules. And for (4) my opinion is different than yours.
What rules exactly?
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Loendar
01.27.2012 , 03:11 PM | #1093
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
And? Just because you prioritize killing Elites or Champions doesn't mean they do. They just want to look cool or whatever. So, still looking for why you get to decide for them.
While she is allowed to approach the game as a purely aesthetic approach - when she is grouping she is part of a team that is trying to succeed at the task at hand.

Loot in an MMO, at the core, is meant to increase your character stats/skills to make them able to take on bigger and better things. Can it be pretty too? Sure.

I do not group with the concept that I will be facilitating someone to play Barbie Dress-up to the detriment of everyone else in the group.

I would suggest that the broker would be a better avenue for your wife's playstyle than grouping.

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chton
01.27.2012 , 03:11 PM | #1094
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
These are people that would need on an orange item for appearances sake over someone in their group who actually uses those stats and would get a huge boost from it. Nothing they could do would surprise me at this point.


Honestly though, this thread is the number one reason why everyone should consider joining a guild. Guild runs are so much more pleasant. It's nice to know that if a cool gun drops for my Gunslinger, I'll win it and get a big ol "Congrats!" from them over losing it to the Sentinel because "My Little droid here uses pistols and I can mod it for AIM".


Seriously people, join a guild and have fun. Or PuG and deal with the ninjas in this thread.
Hilarious, been saying this from the start.

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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 03:11 PM | #1095
Quote: Originally Posted by DrunkenGundark View Post
Here's the problem with that. When everyone has different priorities that clearly act to the detriment of the rest of the group?
Could you give some examples of such priorities?

I mean, rolling need for looks, companions, or even to vendor don't clearly act to the detriment to the rest of the group any more than rolling for stats does. So clearly you must mean something else.

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You're arguing an extreme viewpoint. You want a completely hands-off system were nobody, anywhere, gets to dictate anything. All well and good if everybody could be trusted to act towards the common good. They can't.
I don't see how it matters whether they can be trusted to act toward the common good or not.

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What gives me the right to determine whether my priorities should have any bearing on what gets said/done in a group?
You have a right to determine your priorities. It doesn't matter if those priorities are "get better stats" or "look like X" or whatever.

Then you act on those priorities. People who take the "get better stats" priority do not have any valid reason to expect people to defer to them as the correct priority.

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But this fanatical adherence to "You can't tell me what to do. NOBODY tells me what to do," isn't productive.
Can you please tell me who's you're quoting here? I mean, that's what quotation marks mean. To me it just looks like you're putting words in other people's mouth...

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Ancaglon
01.27.2012 , 03:11 PM | #1096
Quote: Originally Posted by VanorDM View Post
I've seen more then one person say that people who feel it's ok to need for companions are a very small, even meaningless minority. However based on the posts I've seen, that doesn't seem to be true at all. I can't give a % of those for and those against, but it's clear that neither side is a massive majority (80% or higher) of the player base.
I could just as easily argue that those who DO feel it's OK are being defensively voluble. Ultimately, however, trying to draw any such conclusions from the volume of posts here is an exercise in futility. Only a proper poll, 1 vote per subscription, would even come close to finding the actual weight of opinion involved. Only Bioware are in a position to do that.

PS: Given that it's harder to run multiple instances of SWTOR than WoW on the same machine, and the new-ness of the game, AND the built-in Companions, PLUS the lack of auto-attacks, I suspect that the proportion of multi-boxers here is going to be a lot lower, and consequently such a Poll is likely to be closer to "reality" than in many other games.

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ispanolfw
01.27.2012 , 03:12 PM | #1097
Quote: Originally Posted by Jigsaw-Complex View Post
BH wearing Sith robes? Wrong.

Jedi wearing smuggler hat? Wrong.

Smuggler wearing Inquisitor robes? Wrong.

It's a cop out to say that orange gear is up for grabs. It's whoever needs it, then whoever can wear it, then whoever wants it. That's how it goes.
No, that's how you view it, that's how you feel it should go. If the rules agreed with you there would be no argument. If your group discusses this and agrees to that, no argument. But with just the system in place, and no discussion prior, that would be an attempt to force your view on others.

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 03:12 PM | #1098
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Looks don't you take down that gold in that quest you're trying to complete. Better stats do. Make sense?
In your ultimate aim to get the gold it does make sense. But it also makes perfect sense for someone to forgo stats to enhance their looks. That they do, is, frankly, none of your business.
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Calsetes
01.27.2012 , 03:12 PM | #1099
Quote: Originally Posted by Jigsaw-Complex View Post
BH wearing Sith robes? Wrong.

Jedi wearing smuggler hat? Wrong.

Smuggler wearing Inquisitor robes? Wrong.

It's a cop out to say that orange gear is up for grabs. It's whoever needs it, then whoever can wear it, then whoever wants it. That's how it goes.
I'm a Sentinel who wears smuggler gear. The difference? I found it myself, bought it myself, made it myself, or checked with the group to see if I could need it before hitting need. Me obtaining all my gear has not pissed off a single person so far, because I took the time to make sure everyone's kosher with me nabbing it.

I have no idea how people take the risk of pissing off people by doing whatever they want.
The average person thinks he isn't.
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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 03:13 PM | #1100
Quote: Originally Posted by Edryk View Post
I just want to play with people that share my opinions. And I'd like to know beforehand if not.
That seems to be true for pretty much everyone.

Which is why myself and others have said several times, that the best thing to do, is to discuss it before hand and see what people think.

If 3 of the 4 in the group feel differently then you, then you know it's likely not the group for you. If 2 of the 4 agree with you (you being the 3rd) then it is. But the only way to know this for sure is to ask.