No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Galbatorrix

01.27.2012 , 02:34 PM \| #1031
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw Except the game is designed this way. We aren't making the opinion that it is, it just IS designed that way. If we DIDN'T have entitlement to roll, we would not be allowed to. 100% absolute. Not my opinion, nor his. That's just how the game works. I personally do NOT roll on everything, and i've stated as such several times, so has he. Yeah, but you'll roll on companion gear over players in your group, and that's bad enough. Bioware needs to just take away companion gear and make their stats scale with your own. They could add more "social gear" to be used for your companion's appearance and just have their stats scale. That would take away most of people's justifications to grief others right there.

Nightfox_

01.27.2012 , 02:35 PM \| #1032
People are not equal. That's just what they teach you in Sunday school, sorry. Wake up and look around.

Kindara

01.27.2012 , 02:35 PM \| #1033
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw Except the game is designed this way. We aren't making the opinion that it is, it just IS designed that way. If we DIDN'T have entitlement to roll, we would not be allowed to. 100% absolute. Not my opinion, nor his. That's just how the game works. I personally do NOT roll on everything, and i've stated as such several times, so has he. Just because the game allows you to be a social jerk to others with rolling how ever you want with no thought to people around you doesn't make it right. Its like saying its ok to go out there and drive your car while texting and possibly killing yourself or others. We all know that it is not ok to text and drive. For me I'll be polite ask that people simply roll need for what they not their companions can use. If no one else is rolling need and they simply take the 10 seconds it takes to ask "can i need for companion" I really wont mind. Personally my belief is if your doing Flash Points which are designed for groups of players NOT companions the gear is directly for the players playable toon not their little wandering side kick. To take gear away from someone else for your sidekick is kind of a jerk move. Go back and solo it yourself if your companion is that important because in the end thats all you'll have at end game when large amounts of people don't want to group with you. You can be pretty sure if 1 member of a guild bans you the rest of their guild does too.

chton

01.27.2012 , 02:37 PM \| #1034
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar And the entire point of this thread is an attempt to modify the existing system to make it more equitable for the 'player toon' over the companion/Alt. Plan and simple. Yes, the current system allows for the problem to exist - this is an attempt to address that. What problem are you speaking of? Oh you have a problem with it, that doesn't make it a problem for the rest of us.

Edryk

01.27.2012 , 02:37 PM \| #1035
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw Except the game is designed this way. We aren't making the opinion that it is, it just IS designed that way. If we DIDN'T have entitlement to roll, we would not be allowed to. 100% absolute. Not my opinion, nor his. That's just how the game works. I personally do NOT roll on everything, and i've stated as such several times, so has he. I didn't say you rolled on everything. I said you have the ability to force your idea of what is fair on other people - because of game mechanics. And that you (or others that share your view) don't see a need bringing up the discussion beforehand because 'the game lets me do it'. The question is not whether you have entitlement to roll(clearly you do), but should you have entitlement to roll. I think that was the whole point of this thread. Was it not? One side: yep I was there, I should. Other side: player characters should get priority over companions/looks/etc First side actually has the ability to enforce their ideas. Second side's only recourse is to not play with them/blacklist. Yet first side complains about other peoples' opinion and action that allows them to play with others of the same opinion - and calls it 'forcing their opinion on others' and 'greedy'. Seems hypocritical to me.

Vydor_HC

01.27.2012 , 02:37 PM \| #1036
Quote: Originally Posted by Kindara Just because the game allows you to be a social jerk to others with rolling how ever you want with no thought to people around you doesn't make it right. Its like saying its ok to go out there and drive your car while texting and possibly killing yourself or others. We all know that it is not ok to text and drive. For me I'll be polite ask that people simply roll need for what they not their companions can use. If no one else is rolling need and they simply take the 10 seconds it takes to ask "can i need for companion" I really wont mind. Personally my belief is if your doing Flash Points which are designed for groups of players NOT companions the gear is directly for the players playable toon not their little wandering side kick. To take gear away from someone else for your sidekick is kind of a jerk move. Go back and solo it yourself if your companion is that important because in the end thats all you'll have at end game when large amounts of people don't want to group with you. You can be pretty sure if 1 member of a guild bans you the rest of their guild does too. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with discussing the looting rules before you get to loot. That's the only reasonable thing to do, no matter which opinion you hold.

Creed_Buhallin

01.27.2012 , 02:38 PM \| #1037
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix Bioware needs to just take away companion gear and make their stats scale with your own. They could add more "social gear" to be used for your companion's appearance and just have their stats scale. That would take away most of people's justifications to grief others right there. Why should they dumb it down just because you can't come to terms with the fact that I have extra slots to put things in? Let's try something very direct: Accepting for the moment that the gear my companions use have an impact on my ability to complete content, why does that not qualify for something I need? What is the difference between the armor on my tank (which keeps mobs occupied while I blast them, giving me time to kill them) and a DPS increase on my blaster (which lets me reduce the time she needs to keep them occupied)?

Razot

01.27.2012 , 02:38 PM \| #1038
Quote: Originally Posted by Descento if I am able to press NEED, then i'm allowed to do it /thread WoW kiddie ftl..

Eldren

01.27.2012 , 02:39 PM \| #1039
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhothon Guys and gals. Stop arguing with the select few who think they are entitled to roll on all gear. They represent a very small fraction of the player base. If you see people acting like them in the game, do what a majority of us would do. Kick them out of the group. They are arguing here for the sake of arguing. You will never get through to them. Much like no one will get through to you? You want to call out statistics with terms like "majority" and "small fraction"? Let's see your math. Let's see your references. Otherwise, avoid terms like this if you don't want people more inclined to use logic in an argument to tear your perspective apart (often with great glee). I know I personally don't think I'm "entitled" to roll on "all" gear. I'm not going to roll on a class-specific piece unless it's an orange piece with a mod that would upgrade one I'm using. Already I'm not rolling on "all" gear as you put it. I will, if I see a reason (definable by me and no one else), roll Need on an upgrade piece for a companion (if they can equip it) or myself (if I can equip it or something it has, such as a mod). I don't require your approval, or anyone else's who thinks like you. I don't begrudge you your right to think that way, I merely point out that it doesn't obligate me to any course of action.
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ispanolfw

01.27.2012 , 02:39 PM \| #1040
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix Yeah, but you'll roll on companion gear over players in your group, and that's bad enough. Bioware needs to just take away companion gear and make their stats scale with your own. Then could add more "social gear" to be used for your companions looks and just have their stats scale. That would take away people's justifications to grief others right there. I never said I would. I said it's allowed by the game rules, not that I did it. The system is designed to give everyone who participated a chance to roll. That's not my opinion, that's how it is. You and others wish to change it, and that's fine, that's your opinion and choice. But it carries with it the consequence of you wanting to force your view on others, regardless of what you seem to think you're saying. I'm forcing nothing on anyone. The game is designed that way, I follow by those rules. If someone in group speaks up about wanting more restrictive rules, and we all agree to it, that's a completely different story. But with NO speaking up, the rules are as they are.

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