Why are so many people against Arena in Swtor?

Excellent post. We should be expecting more of the developers than the laziest pvp idea ever.

I think there is a lot of room for creative Warzones. I also like the idea of individual and team ranked Warzones as well. Just so much more to do. Arenas were just wow developers mailing it in and at the same time screwing up the whole game forever forward.

There is room for larger scale Warzones, more same faction Warzones, more 8v8. Arenas were never a good idea, they were just an idea. It would be like saying "let's put in a practice dummy and give the best pve loot for killing it and balance the game around it". That is an idea but not a good one. We should expect more then bare minimum barney.

Umm competitive pvp players would not think that because it is not true. Competitive pvp players pvp so they don't end up level 13 with no gear forever.

Competitive pvp players don't look at a low gear ceiling at say that is what pvp is about. The pvp in this game is as much gear based as any other mainstream mmogs.

Competitive pvp players base their opinions on players being in end game gear so again not an issue.

Arena in SWTOR, with the -fundamental- way in which classes, cc's, interrupts, snares and cooldowns work in this game would be a complete *joke*.

They would literally serve no purpose but to show how stupid their pvp design team is.

Please save us all the embarassment of adding arena to SWTOR. It will be doomed to failure from the moment it's introduced until the last dieing gasp of the game after they are introduced.

This. So many times this.


In fact this times the mass of the Sun. In Kilograms. Thats 1.9 x 10 to the 30. Whole lotta this.


Yeah.

I've read about the 10th of these arena posts and I want to also state my opinion for once

First to state my point of view:

I am definatly for arenas, I played WoW ever since the introduction of arenas only for arenas. I never broke 2000 Rating over those years, yet I kept playing and it was what made the game fun for me. I wasn't among the best, I didn't even get the best gear but yet I played.

Reasons I think arena is good:

PVP has, atleast in my eyes, at its roots the wish to compete against other players. I want to know how well I fare in regards to taking advantage of my characters traits in comparison to other people. PVE does not offer me this for in most MMO's you can play a character at near 100 % effectiveness using just 4-5 buttons in a pre set rotation or a priority system, the rest is just gear. Whilst not all players manage this a big part do and there is no form of competition between those. Adittionaly, u don't have to react to unforseen events and just go through your set ideas, which again gives less room for errors and thereby distinction.

If I now go into a battleground, I play my part in a 8 v 8 scenario. If we win, I have 1/8 of the responsibility for it, the same if we loose. The truth is, that I can play at my very best, and yet if the other 7 guys mess up, we will loose. In a 2v2 (though I also allways thought that 2v2 is more for fun as balancing is not possible without making mirror classes) 3v3 or 5v5 enviroment my part on weather we win or loose is significantly higher and you guessed it, I loved to play 3v3 and 2v2 since there my part is the biggest. If I mess up, we almost allways lost. I want to know how well >>I<< fare and how good me and my buddy(s) manage to interact. Not that the other 7 guys made the game for me and I somehow managed to stick in with them, or the oposite that I played a flawless game and we nevertheless lost. I admit that BG's beeing 8v8 this is better here than in WoW ranging from 10v10 to 40v40 or 15 v 15 only taking ranked. But still, it's a lot less of a personal sucess and proof of skill.

This is the reason why I want arenas and am not fully happy with Rated BG's. I also think that the hole playstyle in BG's is dumbed down a little because they are a lot more forgiving. Again, I want to know how flawless and to the best possible way I can play my class, there needs to be room for errors to do so. If I make a fatal mistake in an Arena I die and my team has likely lost. If I make the same mistake in BG's I have a 0-20 second respawn timer and am back in the frame, potentially even faring better cause I can intercept the ballcarrier now. Don't get me wrong, they can also be punishing and there's a lot of tactics involved and I am happy when they introduce them. But in my eyes they seem more forgiving than an arena situation.

I do not understand a lot of the arguments people are bringing up against arenas. One of the strongest and in the same time most confusing for me is that arenas have constant class changes following their path as balancing has to be regarded constantly.

This I dont understand, an arena system does not create imbalance! It only shows it in the most possible clear manner. There are the exactly same classes with the exactly same skillsets as before. Just that now you're possible factors for explaining why class X or combination Y fared worse than class Z or combination T are narrowed down giving a better view. Everyone had their CD's ready, it was a even fight 2v2 3v3 5v5 etc, and the map setting was fair. Whereas in Warzones you have a huge ammount of other factors that may hide the actual imbalance. There are often no even fights, CD's are as good as never evenly distributed and those 3 ranged might have been piled on a slim walkway and therefor been able to knock the 5 melees down. It is my personal opinion that all the arena changes in WoW also positively effected BG and Open PVP. You cannot balance on a big scale, things are just not possible to comprehend in such a scale. Whereas if balancing works on a small scale like 3v3 you can bet it will also apply on 15v15 or 20 v 20. The most obvious example beeing this. If you would balance 1 v 1, all classes would be equal as A would have a counter to everything B has, and 100 v 100 would be balanced too (though this is not wished). To be clear, I am not pulling this theorie out of my ***, the same holds true for economics, where macro economics are dirived of the sum of all their single pieces in microeconomics.

For everyone who read till here I say thank you for your time and I hope you have your opinion to share on mine.

Because the majority of gamers are bad, they don't want any competition or try hard. Otherwise they would also want a combat log. Its as easy as that.

Well arena or not, when rated WZs for premades only are coming soon, nay sayers will be in it for a treat. People that were good in arena and plays this game now will dominate the ladder. RBGs or rated WZs aint any indication of skill, good PvPrs are good in anywhere and personal "skill" is all that matters.

Was funny when on WoW PvP forums people used to say that arenas suck and people are just win trading and playing FOTM comps, rated BGS was added that was to supposed to be real test of tactical skilled PvP. Well every top team was filled mostly with high rated arena people and they destroyed BG heroes totally, forums got suddenly quiet about it. Same will happen here.

Casual Joe is in it for a treat when rated premade WZs come.

Don't play it then if you hate it.

Simples

Operations has inflated rewards that force people into the operation mini-game, even if they don't want to. If operations only offered titles and mounts etc., I would not have a problem with it, but if they give operation players gear advantages, it should never see the light of day.

Just replaced arena with operations to make you see how you sound.

a arena system that mesures "skill" is only viable if they give up the class- and gear heavy system, so everyone is equal and with maxed out skills/gear.

before that mmorpg arenas and generally PVP are just a joke.