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Bioware caved in to the forum whines, prepare for the start of a doomed pvp game.

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Bioware caved in to the forum whines, prepare for the start of a doomed pvp game.

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Kuari
01.25.2012 , 01:15 AM | #271
Quote: Originally Posted by lorylke View Post
So... WHY NOT NERF THE BUFFS INSTEAD, OMG, THINKING IS HARD.

I'm thinking they're badly jumping the gun and I hope they regret it or not do it, cause this is utterly stupid and retarded and completely unwarranted.


or... just nerf expertise, OMG *** BUT EXPERTISE IS IMPO... no it's not, all it does is separate level 50 pvp players from pve players in a game that doesn't even have stabilized playerbase yet, which is utterly moronic.
They nerfed the buffs as well, but some of this insanely fast killing was happening despite that, and they've flat out said they don't want ANYONE being able to accomplish that kind of thing at all.
Standards are made to be broken.
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Ribtips
01.25.2012 , 01:15 AM | #272
I have to agree with the OP here as far as the forum whines.. all I read is I GOT KILLED AND I MUST SCREAM NERF... ffs people the game is in its baby stages s t f u you don't know you elbows from you a holes dont act like you have a clue

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lorylke
01.25.2012 , 01:17 AM | #273
Quote: Originally Posted by Kuari View Post
They nerfed the buffs as well, but some of this insanely fast killing was happening despite that, and they've flat out said they don't want ANYONE being able to accomplish that kind of thing at all.
Where was it happening, I'd like to see some proof of equally geared Scoundrel vs any other class doing that, cause as it is right now, my best targets are unbubbled sorcerers and marauders, and even they, at worst (for them), get out of stun at 50% hp.

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Kuari
01.25.2012 , 01:19 AM | #274
Quote: Originally Posted by lorylke View Post
Where was it happening, I'd like to see some proof of equally geared Scoundrel vs any other class doing that, cause as it is right now, my best targets are unbubbled sorcerers and marauders, and even they, at worst (for them), get out of stun at 50% hp.
I'm not going to argue it. Anyone who matters knows it was happening and that's that, pure and simple, pretending it wasn't happening changes nothing. BioWare saw it for themselves often enough to change it, so it got changed. Hell, getting out at 50% in itself is A LOT of damage to take without being able to react.
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Lludd
01.25.2012 , 01:23 AM | #275
well operatives vs a commando healer is the most ridiculous bunch of bull crap ever....there should never be a class in pvp that can auto kill you....that is why the buff is incoming. if i am straight heal specced (which i am) i should be able to keep up with at least healing myself as much damage is coming in but....i can't. i can't even get away with my 2 crappy escape moves that sometimes don't even do anything...which is annoying with such a huge global cooldown on EVERYTHING!!!

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Khemizt
01.25.2012 , 01:24 AM | #276
Lol you people are pathetic to think that your thought or idea is better than the masses, the only people i see hindering the game as the moment is people like you, who think that balancing your class is a personal attack on you. The truth of the matter is that if there was a need for the change it wouldn't have happened BW is far to busy atm to be making unneeded changes to the game.

Trust me more than 5 minutes of thought went into this, unlike your post.

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Aowar
01.25.2012 , 01:26 AM | #277
Quote: Originally Posted by Chaos_Distortion View Post
The title says it all, Bioware like every other developer caved in to the very vocal forum minority which also usually tends to be some of the very worse MMO players in MMOs. This is the beginning of the end. Scoundrels/Operatives did not need a nerf Bioware, as a healer I say this. You need to test your game and use your own metrics before implementing any class changes in game. Do not go by made up scenarios and imaginary numbers that forum posters use to try to make a point. That's the mistake of past mmo devs that has caused their subscriptions to dwindle in the past and I say that as an MMO veteran since 1997 UO, that has played nearly every MMO since then. You should, if possible release surveys in game to also see how players feel about x and x changes before implementing them. You can also use surveys to see if players think some classes are over the top, currently. You will see that the majority of people that actually play the game at 50, don't feel like the random forum whiners/posers that aren't even 50 yet.


LOL this person actually believes that scoundrels and ops didn't need a nerf...

ROFL this has to be a joke right?

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lorylke
01.25.2012 , 02:41 AM | #278
Quote: Originally Posted by Lludd View Post
well operatives vs a commando healer is the most ridiculous bunch of bull crap ever....there should never be a class in pvp that can auto kill you....that is why the buff is incoming. if i am straight heal specced (which i am) i should be able to keep up with at least healing myself as much damage is coming in but....i can't. i can't even get away with my 2 crappy escape moves that sometimes don't even do anything...which is annoying with such a huge global cooldown on EVERYTHING!!!
Then you're *********** undergeared as hell. Currently equally geared healer commandos/mercs take around 2-3 minutes for me to kill, and I should definitely be able to drop a healer 1v1 if he's not getting any outside help. Throw in a guard/taunt, and I'll definitely never be able to take one of you ******es down.

And what global cooldown are you talking about? Global cooldown is same for everybody. And why do you think you're entitled to always survive against another class just because you're A HEALER. If someone's sitting on you and disrupting you and nobody's there to peel stuff off of you, you should eventually succumb, I do not see any reason why you shouldn't, as it is right now you're nigh-immortal.

Quote: Originally Posted by Khemizt View Post
Lol you people are pathetic to think that your thought or idea is better than the masses, the only people i see hindering the game as the moment is people like you, who think that balancing your class is a personal attack on you. The truth of the matter is that if there was a need for the change it wouldn't have happened BW is far to busy atm to be making unneeded changes to the game.

Trust me more than 5 minutes of thought went into this, unlike your post.
And you're pathetic to think that masses know what's best for them. It's been proven by the U.S. to be entirely false more than once. And so far Bioware hasn't been striking me as the company that thinks a lot on their changes, at least concerning this MMO.

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Kuari
01.25.2012 , 02:50 AM | #279
Quote: Originally Posted by lorylke View Post
Then you're *********** undergeared as hell. Currently equally geared healer commandos/mercs take around 2-3 minutes for me to kill, and I should definitely be able to drop a healer 1v1 if he's not getting any outside help. Throw in a guard/taunt, and I'll definitely never be able to take one of you ******es down.
OK, I'm sorry, but there's no way they should be taking that long to kill on their own. This is a case of you either need to try other classes for something that suits your style better, or there's something you're doing that you're not thinking through. No healer should be difficult on their own for a burst class in this game.
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Shlamorel
01.25.2012 , 02:58 AM | #280
I too am a healer and agree that scondrel/OPS didn't really need a nerf.

That being said, OP, you're being quite dramatic in stating that this proves that pvp is doomed... and for me personally it makes it hard to respect your opinion/post.