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Bioware caved in to the forum whines, prepare for the start of a doomed pvp game.

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Bioware caved in to the forum whines, prepare for the start of a doomed pvp game.

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Sointu
01.21.2012 , 06:22 PM | #161
Quote: Originally Posted by Chaos_Distortion View Post
The title says it all, Bioware like every other developer caved in to the very vocal forum minority which also usually tends to be some of the very worse MMO players in MMOs. This is the beginning of the end. Scoundrels/Operatives did not need a nerf Bioware, as a healer I say this. You need to test your game and use your own metrics before implementing any class changes in game. Do not go by made up scenarios and imaginary numbers that forum posters use to try to make a point. That's the mistake of past mmo devs that has caused their subscriptions to dwindle in the past and I say that as an MMO veteran since 1997 UO, that has played nearly every MMO since then. You should, if possible release surveys in game to also see how players feel about x and x changes before implementing them. You can also use surveys to see if players think some classes are over the top, currently. You will see that the majority of people that actually play the game at 50, don't feel like the random forum whiners/posers that aren't even 50 yet.
Their opener needed the nerf. For a big hitter that you cannot prevent via taunt / changing guard target it did too much damage, if you count the stun as a factor. You can also reduce the damage of most big hitters via your own CDs. I thought they would have shifted that portion of the damage to other skills but they decided to nerf the hell out of the class. Well, besides the opener nerf, rest are really uncalled for.

So, what games actually nerf or have nerfed classes by only reading forums? Do you actually have some raw data? It might feel like nerfs and buffs follow forum trends and it actually might have some kind of truth in it. If I was managing a game I would investigate hot topics that are often spoken in forums and run some numbers on those to see if there was actual need for nerfs or buffs. When you put a lot of time to something you might become blind to your own mistakes and you need someone else to point you to the right direction.

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wixxkruppel
01.21.2012 , 06:23 PM | #162
Quote: Originally Posted by McVade View Post
Good try, but swing and a miss chief. I can tell you're an Operative player - it's okay, eventually, after your nerf, you'll figure out how to hotkey more than 3 abilities and an adrenal, then you can do okay again.
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Yes, an extra 1000-1200 hps from a bubble would have made all the difference in that duel.
Butthurt is strong with this one.

Too bad I can't take you seriously since you're obviously clueless.

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KonduitX
01.21.2012 , 06:24 PM | #163
Best PvP in this game is on the forums.

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Madwooki
01.21.2012 , 06:24 PM | #164
To the OP:
Spot on couldn't agree more.

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BacklashEH
01.21.2012 , 06:27 PM | #165
What would have been much worse for pvp is a stealth class being fotm for an elongated peroid of time. Classes are going to get nerfed, but having a huge portion of the pvp population playing invisible dudes would be close to the worst mistake they can make.

Operatives will still be very good in one on one situations, the guys that are good at it will actually stand out more now.

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Idiots
01.21.2012 , 06:28 PM | #166
people who disagree are either:
1. play a dps op, think the sky is falling and you are the typical casual noob who doesnt understand whats overpowered.
2. just crying since you cant deal with change.

i dont see people making posts about how bad the biochem medpac is now. why are you any different? youre not.

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GameTwine
01.21.2012 , 06:28 PM | #167
Ya tanks getting rolled in 5 seconds flat was OP.
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McVade
01.21.2012 , 06:31 PM | #168
Quote: Originally Posted by wixxkruppel View Post
Butthurt is strong with this one.

Too bad I can't take you seriously since you're obviously clueless.
Most Operatives tend to think so, yep. Then again, who cares what they think. Enjoy your nerf.
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Mjanz
01.21.2012 , 06:32 PM | #169
Hmm so they listen to people whining on these forums huh? These forums are 99% scrubs and 1% veterans who just basically lurk on EVERY forum to get as much info on the game as possible, like me.


But those 99% scrubs who keep on crying and crying eeevery time they get killed.

I got killed when I carried the ball in huttball earlier, there was only 6 of them beating on me. PLEASE NERF EVERY CLASS EXCEPT POWERTECH!!! >:C OR I /QUIT GAM I PROMIS!

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BegaTasty
01.21.2012 , 06:34 PM | #170
Quote: Originally Posted by Idiots View Post
people who disagree are either:
1. play a dps op, think the sky is falling and you are the typical casual noob who doesnt understand whats overpowered.
2. just crying since you cant deal with change.

i dont see people making posts about how bad the biochem medpac is now. why are you any different? youre not.
1.you get killed by a stealther because you refuse to group an have them around you to protect you because you never bother to heal yourself so your easy target.
2. You killed by the class that is made to kill easy targets (eg you).

So you come to forums make up idiotic numbers an demand "or els" that x class be nerfed, then get on forums after an laugh at everyone telling them how they are noobs(whatever that is) an your a real pvper....

What I find supremely funny is these so called "vets" as you call yourselves started this game at same time as everyone els, the only difference is you exploited, an cheated your way to shinys while rest of us played the game at our own pace.
You are not veterans, not unless you served in iraq please stop saying your something special in a computer game, it makes you look very silly.