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[LORE] Lightsaber Construction, Color Meaning, and Crystals

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[LORE] Lightsaber Construction, Color Meaning, and Crystals

HessuVee's Avatar

02.02.2012 , 08:27 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Lithy View Post
Adi Galia (sp?) Is depicted with a red light light sabre in one of the games, and Plo Koon has an orange in the same game. I forget the name. However both i think have blue? in the movies.
Ah I stand corrected. Plo Koon is sometimes portrayed with an orange blade and sometimes with a blue one and anyway, orange is different than red... But Adi Gallia indeed uses a red synthetic crystal. Thanks for pointing it out

I don't need to remind you that a crimson blade doesn't guarantee that the wielder is a Sith, any more than every person strong in the Force is a Jedi. Asajj Ventress was a mere apprentice to Dooku, not a true Sith. A crimson blade can owe to nothing more than a synthetic power crystal. Then crimson is simply a color, like Master Windu's amethyst blade.
-Jedi Master Roan Shryne
Still, it's very very rare for a lightsider to use red color crystals..!

Paragyn's Avatar

02.07.2012 , 09:35 AM | #12
The canon answer is that lightsaber crystals occurring naturally tend to produce green or blue colours. more rarely, yellow.

The sith, having been run out of every civilized system for long periods, could not go close to many of the planets where natural lightsaber crystals were to be found, there usually being at least one jedi temple or outpost parked literally on top of the sacred cave/ravine/whatever.

And so they started using synthetic crystals instead. With the method employed the natural color produced by a synthetic crystal will always be red. Using sith alchemy (or, from the jedi side of things, force infusion), the colour of the crystal can be changed.

Most sith choose to use the traditional crystal, either out of pride or because the sith religion merely views the saber as one tool of destruction among many. Given how well the masters keep advanced techniques from their apprentices it's also not unlikely that the young sith constructing his own saber simply doesn't know how to alter the hue of the crystal, going from rote text. Sith alchemy is generally not a safe area to experiment in as a newbie.

And this is why Jedi, looking for naturally occurring crystals, tend to have a variety of colours with blue and green being most common - whereas sith as a rule carry red blades.

The idea that the lightsaber defines the jedi is also fundamentally flawed. A few thousand years before the swtor era sith carried war blades fashioned with the help of sith alchemy and jedi used similar weaponry. Even in latter eras some jedi renounced their lightsabers and settled for simpler weapons at times, such as staffs.

Using ad hoc force infusion even simple sticks of wood could deflect lightsabers and crack rock. Sith war swords forged using sith alchemy had no need for such infusion but became, for all intents and purposes, indestructible, allowing deflection of lightsabers and blaster bolts, albeit requiring great strength to wield in comparison.

You might make a case for synthetically created red crystal forged by sith alchemy to be unpalatable to a jedi - it might carry a "tinge" of rage or hatred from it's tempering - but I don't see this as forced. Jedi and sith have been stealing each other's lightsabers in combat in many books and quite a few movies and as someone had it above, Anakin had no trouble at all employing Dookus lightsaber.
In fact, if this were true Jedi would have no difficulty at all sniffing out dark siders and hidden sith "Here, Chancellor, please just hold this and press that button....Nothing happened, eh? If you will accompany us, please, we have some questions for you...".

And the reverse would be true. Hand every acolyte on Korriban a red saber and feed the guys who fail to use theirs to the nearest sithspawn.

On the whole, enforcing saber use on light/dark is silly. Even grievous was able to swing four sabers at once, and he wasn't even force-sensitive. Of course you can see why Bioware did this - it wouldn't be properly star warsy if jedi ran around with red sabres and sith used green. In that respect it's backfired though. Line up any three sith warriors on a field and two of them will be toting blue or green due to them trying hard to get into Vette's knickers. Honestly, the idea of the anti-paladin carrying his own brand of honor around isn't per se bad, and the story line/conversation options kick ***...but it's too weighted. You end up with far too many players going down that road.
On Korriban or dromund kaas I'd on the whole expect hordes of sith warriors to roam around the countryside righting wrongs, freeing slaves, rescuing evildoer would be safer hiding out in the jedi temple than he would walking into the national capital.

Haven't seen a sith inquisitor with a green saber yet though. I guess those 120+ affection hits you take from Khem Val with every light side option might be responsible for that.

On the republic side though, i see very very few knights or consulars toting red around. Which makes sense. I would argue that a quest similar to the Jaesa quest line in order to determine whether Vette would be good or no would do wonders for that ratio. As is it's just too damn rewarding to go for light V as soon as possible.

jannickj's Avatar

02.07.2012 , 01:13 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by sotacram View Post
Probably shouldn't have read further than the first paragraph but I stopped at
haha. me too.

KorranM's Avatar

05.03.2013 , 09:44 AM | #14
Very interesting, my Sentinel dual wields and ive got her using a blue blade and a yellow blade so it sorta makes sense lol.
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adormitul's Avatar

05.03.2013 , 11:09 AM | #15
Realy there are clear ligtsabers, I mean realy and is there a game that has them or is just in novels?

Noblis's Avatar

05.03.2013 , 06:36 PM | #16
In the 1970's we had "mood rings." In the Star Wars universe, there are "mood sabers?"
Cool ! I want one !
Right now, my toons use light sabers crystals which only mean "I want to look exceedingly spiffy with
this combination of costume and glow-bat."
Hold up ! If we save Han now, there won't be anything for us to do at the beginning
of ROTJ !

GarfieldJL's Avatar

05.03.2013 , 09:21 PM | #17
Silver blades sabers =/= dual phase saber, silver colored blades were common with a particular Jedi Family that seemed to have a liking towards a specific focusing crystal.

Also a lot of the oddball colors started showing up more when Luke formed his Jedi Academy, primarily due to the fact they had to come up with anything they could to use as focusing crystals.

Suromir's Avatar

05.04.2013 , 03:18 AM | #18
lol...EU. not even "LORE" since you got it from so many unrelated sources.

George, even if he owns it no more, has said that there is NO MEANING behind colors...just that Sith use red and Jedi use blue/green (and only green because of issues with the blue color on the tatooine desert during ep VI)

so yah.....this is hardly lore

Maaruin's Avatar

05.04.2013 , 07:03 AM | #19
I think it is very likely that the meanings of those colors changed over time. During some eras they were probably also more important than during others.
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

Darth_Krushya's Avatar

05.11.2013 , 04:13 AM | #20
The Mandalorian Wars and subsequent Jedi Civil War during the life of Revan (KoTOR) seems to be the only time period I recall there ever being a meaning behind the colors. I think it's great now that SWTOR doesn't seem too obsessed with that. I'm glad colors are more largely a matter of preference.

Personally, I like orange crystals in my Sith Warrior dual sabers. I like blue on my Jedi Knight and Green on my Consular, red on my Sith Inquisitor. I also like purple or violet on my female toons.

All in all it was a good read. Thank you.
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