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DPS Meter needed! Skill>Gear no way to prove it now...

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DPS Meter needed! Skill>Gear no way to prove it now...

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jaytrust
01.20.2012 , 07:13 AM | #1
EDIT to add PROOF:

Yeah with the current system in place, (NO DPS meter) its kind of hard to make an argument as to why you should be allowed to go to a raid.

This game is turning into a gear check instead of a bring the player mentality.


There is no way to prove that you are good enough to come unless you have the best gear.


This sucks and I wish they fix/change this soon. We need some way to assess damage.

Currently this makes the game feel less and less like an MMO..

TL: DR

Skill doesn't matter since you can't assess it. If you have better gear then me apparently you are a better player lol...


Quote: Originally Posted by PhoenixMatrix View Post
There is almost no skill involved in this game aside in PvP and maybe as a healer on 2-3 encounters. The only mini-challenges are things like hitting the turrets correctly on false emperor's second boss and interrupting IronFist. Not much of a challenge, but its very easy to see who's doing it right or wrong. Aside from that, healers have a bit of a challenge.

DPS and tanks are just pushing 5 buttons in the right order, and you can more or less eyeball if they're doing it right or wrong. (but its pretty damn hard to do it wrong).

So yeah, the entire game is a gear check. A DPS meter won't change that.
This is exactly why we need a DPS meter.

If as a dps you only press 5 buttons you are really hurting ur group dps wise and a player with worse gear will out dps you. However with the current set up its impossible to see that is the case.

Thank you.

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PhoenixMatrix
01.20.2012 , 07:52 AM | #2
There is almost no skill involved in this game aside in PvP and maybe as a healer on 2-3 encounters. The only mini-challenges are things like hitting the turrets correctly on false emperor's second boss and interrupting IronFist. Not much of a challenge, but its very easy to see who's doing it right or wrong. Aside from that, healers have a bit of a challenge.

DPS and tanks are just pushing 5 buttons in the right order, and you can more or less eyeball if they're doing it right or wrong. (but its pretty damn hard to do it wrong).

So yeah, the entire game is a gear check. A DPS meter won't change that.

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jaytrust
01.20.2012 , 07:54 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by PhoenixMatrix View Post
There is almost no skill involved in this game aside in PvP and maybe as a healer on 2-3 encounters. The only mini-challenges are things like hitting the turrets correctly on false emperor's second boss and interrupting IronFist. Not much of a challenge, but its very easy to see who's doing it right or wrong. Aside from that, healers have a bit of a challenge.

DPS and tanks are just pushing 5 buttons in the right order, and you can more or less eyeball if they're doing it right or wrong. (but its pretty damn hard to do it wrong).

So yeah, the entire game is a gear check. A DPS meter won't change that.
This is exactly why we need a DPS meter.

If as a dps you only press 5 buttons you are really hurting ur group dps wise and a player with worse gear will out dps you. However with the current set up its impossible to see that is the case.

Thank you.

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PhoenixMatrix
01.20.2012 , 07:58 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by jaytrust View Post
This is exactly why we need a DPS meter.

If as a dps you only press 5 buttons you are really hurting ur group dps wise and a player with worse gear will out dps you. However with the current set up its impossible to see that is the case.

Thank you.
::whoosh::

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nite_shade
01.20.2012 , 08:00 AM | #5
Simple answer to ex-WoW kiddy eliteists...

1) NO DPS METER
2) NO GEAR SCORE

GOD! If i ever see message spam 'Making group to xxxx ./w GS and Achiev..' I'll scream!!

But I fear BW will bow to the kids in this game, as did Blizz... I suppose, we'll get a kung Fu Ewok soon.... Whooooo! I want 1... plz! giv gold!!

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jaytrust
01.20.2012 , 08:02 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by nite_shade View Post
Simple answer to ex-WoW kiddy eliteists...

1) NO DPS METER
2) NO GEAR SCORE

GOD! If i ever see message spam 'Making group to xxxx ./w GS and Achiev..' I'll scream!!

But I fear BW will bow to the kids in this game, as did Blizz... I suppose, we'll get a kung Fu Ewok soon.... Whooooo! I want 1... plz! giv gold!!
Unfortunately by not having a DPS meter you are basically setting up 2)

People won't care about anything but your gear its already happening...

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Zanky
01.20.2012 , 08:03 AM | #7
I agree with the OP

We need a dps meter, even though most classes are not that complex I still see a lot of people just doing stupid things like maul spam in endgame pve, a dps meter would at least provide the tool to let the others see how well their teammates are performing and in the case of a guild whose roster is too full allowing the operation leaders to bring their best team instead of your most geared team.

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PhoenixMatrix
01.20.2012 , 08:17 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by jaytrust View Post
Unfortunately by not having a DPS meter you are basically setting up 2)

People won't care about anything but your gear its already happening...
Explain to me how come most other MMOs that don't have dps meters never turn into gearchecks?

Maybe the problem isn't the lack of DPS meter, but the poor wow-clone game design? Hell, don't even need to go that far. Having combat animations that are actually visible would be a start @.@

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nite_shade
01.20.2012 , 08:18 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Zanky View Post
I agree with the OP

We need a dps meter, even though most classes are not that complex I still see a lot of people just doing stupid things like maul spam in endgame pve, a dps meter would at least provide the tool to let the others see how well their teammates are performing and in the case of a guild whose roster is too full allowing the operation leaders to bring their best team instead of your most geared team.
It gives rise to many issue imo

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Shocktastik
01.20.2012 , 08:35 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by nite_shade View Post
Simple answer to ex-WoW kiddy eliteists...

1) NO DPS METER
2) NO GEAR SCORE

GOD! If i ever see message spam 'Making group to xxxx ./w GS and Achiev..' I'll scream!!

But I fear BW will bow to the kids in this game, as did Blizz... I suppose, we'll get a kung Fu Ewok soon.... Whooooo! I want 1... plz! giv gold!!
How does a dps meter have anything to do with GS/Achiev? In a difficult fight if you can't perform you shouldn't be there. The only way to see this objectively is with meters. Not to mention many of us like to optimize our rotations without having to guess which abilities actually work the way the tooltip says?

Just enable it only for Hard/Nightmare encounters where it would be needed and while you are solo fighting the training dummy that should be installed in our ships!