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Phyreblade
12.17.2012 , 10:26 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Arbitte View Post
Hi my name is Jason and I play a Sith Marauder who in his journey has killed every enemy who has crossed his path. Please explain why I don't have the option to kill Malavai Quinn when he betrays me. Sorry for spoiling it for players who have not yet played the class but in the next expansion of the game please implement the option to finally have revenge. Thanks. -Armandi Sol
Shrug, MY warrior blamed Baras before she blamed Quinn. You know, the fellow with absolutely zero force abilities or power enough to resist the will of a Sith Lord. She was actually bummed at her own inability to protect Quinn from Baras' manipulations, in fact. It's just that the last person she was truly angry with, was Quinn, who was, she knew, nothing but a mere force-blind Imperial caught between two battling Sith.

So her rage was directed towards what she knew was the proper target for it. Not Quinn but Baras. Which was probably good in the long run, because Quinn is perhaps the most valuable companion she could call her own. He captained her ship, navigated for her, proved to be a technical AND tactical genius time and again, ran her medical bay with expertise, and, finally, helped her relax during downtimes between missions.

You don't ruin something worth having, basically.
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SilentKitty
12.17.2012 , 11:58 AM | #22
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Shrug, MY warrior blamed Baras before she blamed Quinn. You know, the fellow with absolutely zero force abilities or power enough to resist the will of a Sith Lord. She was actually bummed at her own inability to protect Quinn from Baras' manipulations, in fact. It's just that the last person she was truly angry with, was Quinn, who was, she knew, nothing but a mere force-blind Imperial caught between two battling Sith.

So her rage was directed towards what she knew was the proper target for it. Not Quinn but Baras. Which was probably good in the long run, because Quinn is perhaps the most valuable companion she could call her own. He captained her ship, navigated for her, proved to be a technical AND tactical genius time and again, ran her medical bay with expertise, and, finally, helped her relax during downtimes between missions.

You don't ruin something worth having, basically.
I'm with you on this one Phyreblade.

Because let's face it, he has had so many opportunities to kill my Sith and not taken them. And those droids really are not that difficult. If he really wanted my Sith dead, he could have done it while she was sleeping on the ship or perhaps up the amounts the droids by a tenfold since we have been laying waste to those in droves. Belsavis, we killed droids for armorings daily

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DarthRamette
12.17.2012 , 05:51 PM | #23
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Ah, alright. I have only just begun Chapter 3 and I kept reading about it, so was curious.
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DarthRamette
12.17.2012 , 05:54 PM | #24
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Shrug, MY warrior blamed Baras before she blamed Quinn. You know, the fellow with absolutely zero force abilities or power enough to resist the will of a Sith Lord. She was actually bummed at her own inability to protect Quinn from Baras' manipulations, in fact. It's just that the last person she was truly angry with, was Quinn, who was, she knew, nothing but a mere force-blind Imperial caught between two battling Sith.

So her rage was directed towards what she knew was the proper target for it. Not Quinn but Baras. Which was probably good in the long run, because Quinn is perhaps the most valuable companion she could call her own. He captained her ship, navigated for her, proved to be a technical AND tactical genius time and again, ran her medical bay with expertise, and, finally, helped her relax during downtimes between missions.

You don't ruin something worth having, basically.
Well said, my Warrior was pissed at Quinn mind you but more pissed at Fat Man for thinking he could get away with it. If Quinn really wanted to he could have blown the ship up or killed me in many different ways. I think he only tried to do it out of duty to Baras but knew it was going to fail thus he did his duty to Baras and then was killed by you for failing, his honor still intact when he died. Baras was my real target and after Quesh part II so was Dragh.

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Orlesian
12.17.2012 , 06:51 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Phyreblade View Post
Shrug, MY warrior blamed Baras before she blamed Quinn. You know, the fellow with absolutely zero force abilities or power enough to resist the will of a Sith Lord. She was actually bummed at her own inability to protect Quinn from Baras' manipulations, in fact. It's just that the last person she was truly angry with, was Quinn, who was, she knew, nothing but a mere force-blind Imperial caught between two battling Sith.

So her rage was directed towards what she knew was the proper target for it. Not Quinn but Baras. Which was probably good in the long run, because Quinn is perhaps the most valuable companion she could call her own. He captained her ship, navigated for her, proved to be a technical AND tactical genius time and again, ran her medical bay with expertise, and, finally, helped her relax during downtimes between missions.

You don't ruin something worth having, basically.
Well written!
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Xonell
12.18.2012 , 01:07 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Phyreblade View Post
Shrug, MY warrior blamed Baras before she blamed Quinn. You know, the fellow with absolutely zero force abilities or power enough to resist the will of a Sith Lord. She was actually bummed at her own inability to protect Quinn from Baras' manipulations, in fact. It's just that the last person she was truly angry with, was Quinn, who was, she knew, nothing but a mere force-blind Imperial caught between two battling Sith.

So her rage was directed towards what she knew was the proper target for it. Not Quinn but Baras. Which was probably good in the long run, because Quinn is perhaps the most valuable companion she could call her own. He captained her ship, navigated for her, proved to be a technical AND tactical genius time and again, ran her medical bay with expertise, and, finally, helped her relax during downtimes between missions.

You don't ruin something worth having, basically.
The problem is, this spin on things isn't so much of an interpretation as it is head-canon. Quinn was not being forced to do anything. He honestly thought siding with Baras was the best thing for the Empire, and more significantly, for Quinn's career. He thinks he owes his career to Baras AND he thinks Baras is going to be the next Emperor. He just wants to be the Emperor's right hand man, which is as high as a non-force user can go in the Empire. The dialogue in the betrayal scene spells out his true feelings very clearly. Basically, he's an ambitious little weasel and incapable of feeling anything very deeply.

You may also want to look for youtube videos of his comments to the other companions in that scene if you happen to bring them in. Very telling.

No, he's not worth keeping, sadly.

Personally, I adored the character when I thought he was what he appeared to be, a loyal, competent Imperial. Had I been the writer, I would have had Quinn drop you a secret message before you go in. "I'm going to betray you. Baras is watching. Let's put on a good show, eh?" Boom, problem fixed.
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Karkais
12.18.2012 , 09:22 AM | #27
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Because your Sith character is smarter than you.

Not saying this to be insulting just responding with the truth, an intelligent Sith (which is what our characters are supposed to be) does not squander a valuable resource unless their hand is forced in the matter, or the resource finally gets used up. Quinn, as the story goes, has much to offer that puts him in a unique position against other officers of his level.
A treacherous swine does not equal a valuable resource no matter what his abilities. Especially in Sith world, where being able to trust someone is a luxury. In real world, any world, he would have been removed from service.

In eve online, you don't let an AWOXer who once revealed your fleets position to the enemy so they could stage an ambush back to fleet. Ever.

Im perfectly fine with there being this kind of treason among the companions, but at least they could have tried to make it so that he was forced to do it somehow, so he could have been forgiven more easily or something.
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Raynezazki
12.18.2012 , 09:25 AM | #28
Eh the whole "my SW is smarter" is just no.

While my SW does spare Quinn it's because he's a resource, useful and they feel that the only one they'd betrayed him to is Baras he still should be killable. (It'd make my choice to save him matter more too. ) The devs let the SW get rid of useful things to him/her before that as well (that said if Quinn is killable Jaesa and Vette should be as well. Especially Vette. By god is she annoying). The SW destroying things after he/she feels they are no longer of use is a running theme. I don't know why it's averted with companions. Oh wait yes I do. The whole "oh noes I actually killed mai companion?!?" bleh.

TLDR companions should be killable or dismissable after they've outlived their usefulness. My DS SW dragging around Vette's wisecracking self when he's killed people for less is *** inducing as I'm sure some DS SW killing people for treason keeping Quinn around is *** inducing.

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Phyreblade
12.18.2012 , 02:11 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Xonell View Post
The problem is, this spin on things isn't so much of an interpretation as it is head-canon. Quinn was not being forced to do anything. He honestly thought siding with Baras was the best thing for the Empire, and more significantly, for Quinn's career. He thinks he owes his career to Baras AND he thinks Baras is going to be the next Emperor. He just wants to be the Emperor's right hand man, which is as high as a non-force user can go in the Empire. The dialogue in the betrayal scene spells out his true feelings very clearly. Basically, he's an ambitious little weasel and incapable of feeling anything very deeply.

You may also want to look for youtube videos of his comments to the other companions in that scene if you happen to bring them in. Very telling.

No, he's not worth keeping, sadly.

Personally, I adored the character when I thought he was what he appeared to be, a loyal, competent Imperial. Had I been the writer, I would have had Quinn drop you a secret message before you go in. "I'm going to betray you. Baras is watching. Let's put on a good show, eh?" Boom, problem fixed.
I've enjoyed two seperate warrior playthroughs and watched countless youtube videos describing the incident itself, actually. I ultimately played it the way that made the most sense to me, anyway. There is so much that isn't captured in the in-game scenes, enough I can only assume the developers themselves left it fairly open-ended so that we could RP it ourselves, shrug.

However, given the fact we KNOW that Baras is a master manipulator AND a liar AND a betrayer AND the sort of fellow who'll pull whatever string he possibly can in order to further his own goals -- it's simply not reasonable to think he wouldn't coerce Quinn into doing as he wanted. Also, given the fact that Quinn does NOTHING through nearly the entire game that paints him as anything less than truly respectful of the warrior, even loving if the warrior is a female -- i.e. he didn't attack the warrior, fail the warrior, stab the warrior in the back, try in any way to undermine the warrior, and certainly didn't try to kill the warrior even given the numerous opportunities available in which he could have -- it's perfectly reasonable to assume he was coerced.

No way to know what form that coercian took, mind you. There are any number of coercive tactics that Baras might have employed, though. Having watched Baras turn a man's brain into a puddle of goo, though, I don't imagine he would've (1) hesitated or (2) been kind about it.

Finally, if we're to buy into the notion that Quinn was coerced, it's not unheard of to consider that ANYTHING he had to say during the events on the Transponder Station was complete and utter hogwash. Either he was putting on show for Baras, if that's what you want to RP. Me, I tend to believe he said whatever he had to in order to make the warrior angry, because that's easier for him to face than her being hurt. It's totally up to you.

But regardless. Play your story as you choose to. I thought the story was an awesome consideration of the byplay between the Sith and the Imperials, what happens when a non-force-sensitive is caught between two Sith warring with each other. To me, the entire tale provides an interesting look at the social dynamics of the Empire as a whole.

Because, honestly. How does an Imperial officer really, truly tell a Sith "No" without being destroyed right then and there? And then if he does say "yes" in order to avoid being destroyed, how does he get out of it, if it's not something he wants to do? What exactly does he do?
"Why can't things be easy? Just once!"
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Bleeters
12.18.2012 , 05:06 PM | #30
Eh. He was rude to Vette. I've killed people for less.