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George Lucas Blames 'Star Wars' Critics for Killing Series

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George Lucas Blames 'Star Wars' Critics for Killing Series

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Tinno
01.19.2012 , 12:10 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by lovestopip View Post
Maybe if the movie wasn't complete garbage the critics wouldn't trash it.
The movies weren't complete garbage, they were different. The prequels were built very different from most other movies, which I find bold, rather than stupid. People are just so prejudiced about how a movie should be, and even if it is so, then they'll still complain.

Star Wars fans, the ones who hate on characters like Jar Jar Binks shouldn't call themselves Star Wars fans at all, saying he doesn't belong in the Star Wars universe is complete and utter nonsense. Think about this, in a huge universe like Star Wars, would it really be unreasonable to find a character like Jar Jar Binks in that universe?

Stop this prejudiced nonsense and enjoy the universe how it's made, and not how you think it should be (This is not your universe!).

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01.19.2012 , 12:14 PM | #12
Edit: Double-post. Sorta.
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DarthSagan
01.19.2012 , 12:18 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Luckmann View Post
I think I speak for all the fans, nerds and grognards of Star Wars when I say
Thank God!
Hahah agreed.

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Guildrum
01.19.2012 , 12:19 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Luckmann View Post
I think I speak for all the fans, nerds and grognards of Star Wars when I say
Thank God!
Would you have been thanking God if he had done this before Empire Strikes Back was released?

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Willuk
01.19.2012 , 12:20 PM | #15
The problem with George Lucas is that he surrounds himself during movie production with people unwilling to challenge his ideas, they all say yes and oh isn't this ridiculous idea visionary..

Take a look at the movie reviews in depth with the redlettermedia plinket review of them, besides being hilarious it has a point, the end of the phantom menace had 4 or 5 endings to it, you had the capturing the vice roy, the young annoying anakin flying his star fighter, the jedi's battling a sith (with no explanation during the prequels at all what a sith is, only that they are bad and that they come in two's) and lastly jar jar and his gungan army - All happening at the same time... You basically don't feel infested in the films ending as its switching between the 5 of them..

Not to mention the Love story that is forced on the audience between anakin and padema - Oh all of a sudden i love you, yes I love you too (out of no where) then the sad people killed my mother so i committed genocide on them, and the reaction from her is like oh well life goes on - He just committed genocide!!!!

Its not that he is bad at film making its just no one is willing to challenge on silly concepts anymore, stephen speilberg didn't on the last indiana jones disaster and you see the result - aliens, russians and the unforgivable casting of Shia Le boff.

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Kharnis
01.19.2012 , 12:46 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Bone_Machine View Post
Finally? Star Wars is always better when George Lucas doesn't have full control over it (or preferably is not involved at all). He cannot direct, he cannot write a screenplay and the sooner he accepts that the sooner we can have another Empire Strikes Back.
I've always loved this line of thought from his "critics."

You do realise that he always had full control over Star Wars, right? There was never a time when he didn't. No one, not a single person, not even a studio exec, ever had the power to say to him, "Take this out and put this in." Every single thing that was put into the movies (yes, including The Empire Strikes Back) was done so only on his say-so. No one could overrule him on any decision made.

Yes, he can't direct and has no business behind a camera, but to say "it was better when he didn't have full control" is laughable.
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01.19.2012 , 12:53 PM | #17
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enigmacypher
01.19.2012 , 01:00 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Willuk View Post
The problem with George Lucas is that he surrounds himself during movie production with people unwilling to challenge his ideas, they all say yes and oh isn't this ridiculous idea visionary..

Take a look at the movie reviews in depth with the redlettermedia plinket review of them, besides being hilarious it has a point, the end of the phantom menace had 4 or 5 endings to it, you had the capturing the vice roy, the young annoying anakin flying his star fighter, the jedi's battling a sith (with no explanation during the prequels at all what a sith is, only that they are bad and that they come in two's) and lastly jar jar and his gungan army - All happening at the same time... You basically don't feel infested in the films ending as its switching between the 5 of them..

Not to mention the Love story that is forced on the audience between anakin and padema - Oh all of a sudden i love you, yes I love you too (out of no where) then the sad people killed my mother so i committed genocide on them, and the reaction from her is like oh well life goes on - He just committed genocide!!!!

Its not that he is bad at film making its just no one is willing to challenge on silly concepts anymore, stephen speilberg didn't on the last indiana jones disaster and you see the result - aliens, russians and the unforgivable casting of Shia Le boff.
your complaints about him surrounding himself with only "yes men" is the same with all big producers these days but then if they surrounded themselves with "nay sayers" no movie would ever get made.

the star wars lore grew up after "new hope" and is often been haphazardly readjusted to fit with the story sadly this is what happens when something grows out of nothingness into a cult genre then into mainstream following.

anakin didn't commit genocide he only killed most of a village (hunters would have still be out hunting) and though bad if you have ever lost people you cared about through tragedy you would understand that anger is part of the process of loss and in the fictional universe of SW vented anger leads to the dark side which pushes you further and further down the path.

lastly indiana jones and the crystal skull was pushed on lucas to be made and i am not sure i ever saw it fully endorsed by him <the movie wasn't bad the trouble is that the story was working around real life issues such as the beginning of the cold war and the fear that they6 guy next door might be a Russian agent>

over all lucas and lucas arts pushed both games and movies to a different direction and regardless of all i think the world will miss him should he choose to finally retire.

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Luckmann
01.19.2012 , 01:07 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Kharnis View Post
I've always loved this line of thought from his "critics."

You do realise that he always had full control over Star Wars, right? There was never a time when he didn't. No one, not a single person, not even a studio exec, ever had the power to say to him, "Take this out and put this in." Every single thing that was put into the movies (yes, including The Empire Strikes Back) was done so only on his say-so. No one could overrule him on any decision made.

Yes, he can't direct and has no business behind a camera, but to say "it was better when he didn't have full control" is laughable.
You're arguing semantics, which is basically the lowest form of debate.

Star Wars was much better when people reigned George Lucas in. Just because he could potentially VETO anything he want, doesn't mean that he did. The best Star Wars products have been all those that he has been the least involved in.

I remember when he said that Star Wars has always been for kids, shortly after the release of Episode 1 and the critique that it was a children's movie. This shows a tremendous disconnect between what Star Wars is to George Lucas, and what Star Wars is to the countless fans of the franchise.

George Lucas' best works have all been colabs. I think that he is a tremendously inspired and creative person. But I also think that he is fundamentally incompetent. He needs teams that stand up to him, and he hasn't had that for 20 years.

If you read the transcripts from the brainstorming sessions of the earlier works and compare it to those of later works such as Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, it becomes startlingly obvious that for 20 years, nobody has told him "No, let's do it this way instead.." or just plain "Dude. That is f***ing stupid.". Jar-Jar, the belief that "Star Wars is for kids" or trying to put NSYNC into Attack of the Clones, is all just symptomatic of this one issue.
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Bone_Machine
01.19.2012 , 01:20 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Kharnis View Post
You do realise that he always had full control over Star Wars, right?
You need to go back and read about some of the ideas he wanted to put into Star Wars that Fox and in particular Gary Kurtz objected to. If he had the control of Star Wars then that he has now they would have released a movie that was pretty much just a tragic parody of Flash Gordon and I doubt anyone would care about the series.

When he didn't get everything his own way because the producers and distributors challenged him. Or when he surrendered the director's chair and screen play responsibilities to people who actually know what they're doing the results were the best movies in the series. That isn't coincidence.

Likewise The X-Wing series, Dark Forces 1 & 2, as well as Kotor 1 are the best things to take place in the SW universe since Empire precisely because GL had nothing to do with them. (Not to detract from the work of the many skilled people involved in creating those games.)
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